[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx Carlos (Side), and in that same tonic, which is the subject ICANN noun that more you it worries that we have well discussed for the meeting of Cartagena? Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 * They see ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org * It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Carlos Side wrote:

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:41:42 -0500 > From: Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> > To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > Cc: LAC DISCUSS <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] effective mechanisms of participation > > Then already we are participating and the best form to do itis not to adjetivizar > the opinions of others. If somebody wants to support with ideas to motivate > participation we can begin to organize to us. > > Carlos > > the 16 of November of 2010 12:27, Fatima Cambronero < > fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: > > > Carlos, > > > > I answer to You between lines. > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> he wrote: > > > > Fatima, seems important to me your reflections aqui my commentaries > > > > > > 1. We are not speaking of spaces to participate but of motivat! ion it stops > > > to do it. Two totally different things. > > > > > > > In agreement with which to the space we have it. Now, as far as the motivation, > > wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work, bathe, me > > food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it.No > > because the people who live with me it are remembering allalong > > and insisting so that she does it. Here he is equal. The motivations stop > > to participate, must arise from each one from us, not because > > other members or representatives of LACRALO is insisting or remembering > > that we must participate. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I participate from the 96 in the international subjects of Internet and > > > from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet > > > world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, but for a time, like > > > many, nonencounter greater reasons for summits and otherspac! es, and > > > I think that new motivations are required ! to conti nue participating and is in > > > what I set out to work then all when we contributed we want to see > > > translated our efforts in realities. > > > > > > > > > enchants to Me that you have all the trajectory that tenés. That affluent speech of vos. > > Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not to arrive, but to stay" (or > > something similar), and having the capacities that tenés,you would have to find vos > > same the motivations to continue participating and to obtain results. I > > I have all the certainty that podés to make it and even obtain that more people > > adds/sinks to the participation. > > > > > > > 3. I believe that to develop politicas to promote (to moticar) the participation > > > always is important. A brief one watched to the interchange of emails of this > > > same list shows it, when the subject of the little one is permanent > > > participation and the surpr! ise when it is participated in moments of decisions and > > > has not before been made it by any cause. > > > > > > > seems to Me that you are not reading my previous mail completely. I am to you > > commenting the mechanisms to participate. I am telling theGroups you of > > Work and invitándote to that you add yourself/sink. To that you arm a Group even stops > > to foment the participation. > > Your words sounds to complaints and I do not read that you commit yourself concretely with > > none of these mechanisms to participate. > > > > > > > 4. I propose: > > > > > > 4,1 Hacer a rise of the information that we have respectto > > > participation in the diverse spaces to initiate the workto analyze > > > the causes of (I suppose) the little participation. > > > > > > Existe algun way simple to find this information asi isnot at level > > > personal at indicative level by I number of part! icipants by session, event, > > > etc? > > > > >! ; > 4 ,2 Conducir a mini survey to clarify to us so that themembers > > > participates and so that they do not make it or they let do it. > > > > > > 4,3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of informationto assume > > > commitments of responsible participation. Not always all we can > > > to participate nor in all the events, sesionres, conferences, etc. Then > > > of algun way we can share information and experiences that motivate a > > > others to continue participating. > > > > > > > To all these things that proponés, podés to make vos same. In the file > > of the lists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenés all > > information available like beginning to work. Podés to invite people > > that helps you to do it and that is added in this proposal. To even request > > which you do not find the Staff, they is for collaborating with us. Me > > seems that while we do not assume each one concrete commi! tments, and only him > > we throw the responsibility to others, we are going to follow with the same level of > > participation and motivation. > > > > I understood that if something I did not like, she could express to me. Although it was better if > > put to me to work to modify it. That I am doing since they do others > > members. > > > > > > > > > > Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participation is I criticize since > > > single two people attends one reunion important calls the attention.... > > Then > is not the space to participate the one that makeslack but > > > motivation to do it. > > > > > > > > > and vos why you did not attend nor formás part of the WG? The invitation is > > made. This Thursday there is a TC on the Baylaws before the monthly TC. > > You sumás to both? > > > > > > > > > > If few members do not participate they has a problem. If many or > ! > > mayoria does not participate all we have a problem. ! > & gt; > > > > > > Comencemos to revert it then.... > > > > > > > My five cents. > > > > > > Carlos Side > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Fatima Cambronero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < > > > fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in > > > > LACRALO so that he is effective, implies to participate in the teleconferencings > > > > monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Work groups and > > > > obvious in the votings. > > > > If vos for two years not participás of a teleconferencing, you have been > > > > losing the Agenda in which we are working, the consensuses to which > > > > we are arriving, the instructions that we are giving,the ! Work groups > > > > that is armed, the result to which it is arrived. > > > > Those is the forms that we must to participate and the mechanisms that > > > > we want to look for so that she is really effective our participation. > > > > > > > > In addition, at this moment we are working in the Work group of > > > > Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modificationof the Baylwas of LACRALO, > > > > is open to Public Commentary several subjects in which also > > > > we can think and invitations to participate in different WG that although no > > > > is strictly of LACRALO, also exists the possibility of participating. > > > > > > > > In the last teleconferencing of the Work group to deal with the subject > > > > the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). > > > > Perhaps > > > > these work groups was not of your interest, for that reason not you > > > > you added to no of them. Or perhaps, when not participating in > > > > monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mails of the list, not you > > > > you are finding out its existence. > > > > Also a form to improve the participation, is to attend those > > > > teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate with which already one is > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love a Work group on > > > > Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon us to the members > > > > of LACRALO so that we add ourselves. It is within your possibilities, to present/display > > > > a proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation can arise fromvos, towards all > > > > we. Then thus all we can contribute. > > > &g! t; > > > > Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood the idea > > > > of which we are immersed in a process bottom-up, the motivations goes a > > > > to come from we ourself, and we are going away them to let request to ours > > > > representing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > Fatima Cambronero > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com>he wrote: > > > > >>>>> Apparently finished the initial reason that he motivates the discussion, that was >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> position on the request of support presented/displayed by several candidates, >>>>> >>>>> enfrio the interchange of opinions. >>>>> >>>>> I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and >&g! t;>>> subject >>>>> even is slope to work! it, I b elieve that it must begin with >>>>> one >>>>> motivation from our representatives and not to wait forproxima takes from >>>>> decisions so that a momentaneo interest arises again tomotivate >>>>> (or >>>>> to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. >>>>> >>>>> Reitero which we can contribute in an organized work group stops >>>>> to motivate >>>>> the permanent work. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos Side >>>>> ISOC Ecuador >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> lac-discuss-is mailing list >>>>> lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is >>>>> >>>>> http://www.lacralo.org >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > &g! t; * Fátima Cambronero * > > > > Lawyer-Argentina > > > > President Ageia Densi > > > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * Fátima Cambronero * > > Lawyer-Argentina > > President Ageia Densi > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > http://www.lacralo.org >

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