Gracias Vanda, todos, por sus comentarios con respecto al tema de las credenciales de votación. Colocaré este tema como um ítem de la próxima teleconferência del 17 de setiembre a las 23UTC. saludos sylvia ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein sylvia@internautabrasil.org Secretaria LACRALO-ICANN/ 2012-2013 - http://atlarge.icann.org Secretaria FLUI 2009-2012 sylvia_leite=Skype -----Mensagem original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Vanda UOL Enviada em: jueves, 30 de agosto de 2012 12:42 Para: 'Carlos Vera Quintana'; 'Matt Ashtiani' Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: [lac-discuss-es] RES: VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO ALAC 2012 Vuelvo a hacer sugerencia explicita para finalizar con esta cuestión de credenciales que es muy onerosa y partir para una solución em web como doodle o otra. Sylvia, Matt, creo ser relevante considerar el cambio. Abrazos Vanda -----Mensagem original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Carlos Vera Quintana Enviada em: quinta-feira, 30 de agosto de 2012 05:20 Para: Matt Ashtiani Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO ALAC 2012 Saludos igual pregunta q Alberto sobre las credenciales? Carlos VQ Enviado desde mi iPhone El 29/08/2012, a las 21:05, Matt Ashtiani <matt.ashtiani@icann.org> escribió:

Españoles a continuación. Dear All,

**** Dear LACRALO members,

LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat would like to announce the start of the vote for the LACRALO representative with the ALAC for the period 2012-2014. The poll will be open from 29-August-2012 at 23:59 UTC to 03-September-2012 at 23:59 UTC.

The options to vote are:

1) Humberto Carrasco 2) Dev Anand Teelucksingh 3) Abstain

Additional information can be found on the At-Large ALAC and RALO Elections, Selections and Appointments 2012 Workspace<https://community.icann.org/x/8bnbAQ>.

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Estimados miembros de LACRALO,

El Presidente y la Secretaria de LACRALO quisieran anunciar el comienzo del voto para el representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC para el periodo 2012-2014. La votación estará abierta desde el 29 de Agosto del 2012 23:59 UTC hasta el 03 de Septiembre del 2012 a las 23:59 UTC.

Las opciones para votar son:

1) Humberto Carrasco 2) Dev Anand Teelucksingh 3) Se abstiene

information adicional puede ser encontrada en el Workspace de At-Large ALAC and RALO Elections, Selections and Appointments 2012. https://community.icann.org/x/8bnbAQ>

***** Regards,

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+1 on .. "Elections must not only BE free and fair, but must also be SEEN to be free and fair." That is not happening, and I'd like the LACRALO leadership to take the reins of these processes firmly in hand sooner rather than later. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:09:59 -0400 From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: matt.ashtiani@icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO ALAC 2012

Dear all I have some concerns about the voting procedures that have been implemented recently. We have had vote periods that are as short as THREE days. It is difficult for people whose main job is not LACRALO to be able to respond in these limited time frames, and I believe that these short election periods are effectively disenfranchising some of our ALSes. This can be seen in the low turnout for votes recently.

This is especially difficult given that it is holiday time and back to school time in many countries, and people are not necessarily in office but rather spending time with their families. I can testify to that, as I was away with my family for four days, and missed the call, execution and close of one vote entirely. In less than a week!

Additionally, there was one vote recently that seemed very strange to me in process.

The vote on Rule 8 was not quorate, so there was an extension. The voting period was 3 days. The first extension was 2 days. A second extension was called to allow the extension of the vote to be in line with the rules and procedures of LACRALO (the same timeframe as the original vote) . The result was announced as the vote was quorate. Timeline is shown below: 1) http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/006522.html At-Large Staff announces begin of vote : 22-Aug-2012 23:59 UTC to 25-Aug-2012 23:59 UTC

2) http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/006549.html Sylvia announces extension Voting extended from Friday Aug 24 22:39:28 UTC 2012 to Sunday Aug 26 at 23:59 UTC (ignoring translation issue)

3) http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/006573.html Jose Arce says "initial vote was conducted from August 22 until the 24th (inclusive making it 3 days) and the extension is the 25, 26, and 27 (3 days)".

4) http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/006581.html Sylvia announces results on August 28 1500 UTC (does not show results of who voted what)

What SHOULD have happened - if vote was from 22-Aug to 25-Aug and then extended for 3 days, then end of vote should be the 28-Aug 2012 23:59 UTC -

We have also had complaints of voting credentials not being received. This is not a new complaint. However, with longer voting periods, it is more likely that there would be time for ALSes to 1) know that a vote is underway; 2) Determine that the credentials have or have not been received and 3) have valid credentials sent and 4) be able to cast their vote.

In at least 2 of the recent votes, ALS representatives have complained that there was no time to follow the steps 1 to 4 above before the vote closed and the results were announced. They were disenfranchised.

Additionally, there has been at least one incident in which a candidate sent thanks for the result to the list well before the results were posted. This seems to indicate that there was some out of process communication between the Secretariat and the candidate. I am not saying that anything was untoward, but it is very important that democratic processes are completely transparent and open, and, as the saying goes:

"Elections must not only BE free and fair, but must also be SEEN to be free and fair."

That is not happening, and I'd like the LACRALO leadership to take the reins of these processes firmly in hand sooner rather than later.

Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Matt Ashtiani <matt.ashtiani@icann.org>wrote:

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Españoles a continuación. Dear All,

**** Dear LACRALO members,

LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat would like to announce the start of the vote for the LACRALO representative with the ALAC for the period 2012-2014. The poll will be open from 29-August-2012 at 23:59 UTC to 03-September-2012 at 23:59 UTC.

The options to vote are:

1) Humberto Carrasco 2) Dev Anand Teelucksingh 3) Abstain

Additional information can be found on the At-Large ALAC and RALO Elections, Selections and Appointments 2012 Workspace< https://community.icann.org/x/8bnbAQ>.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESPAÑOL

Estimados miembros de LACRALO,

El Presidente y la Secretaria de LACRALO quisieran anunciar el comienzo del voto para el representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC para el periodo 2012-2014. La votación estará abierta desde el 29 de Agosto del 2012 23:59 UTC hasta el 03 de Septiembre del 2012 a las 23:59 UTC.

Las opciones para votar son:

1) Humberto Carrasco 2) Dev Anand Teelucksingh 3) Se abstiene

information adicional puede ser encontrada en el Workspace de At-Large ALAC and RALO Elections, Selections and Appointments 2012. https://community.icann.org/x/8bnbAQ>

***** Regards,

Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org< https://owa.icann.org/owa/redir.aspx?C=bae4382542ca489294ee2fc9c14ad9f8&URL=...

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