Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] [Ext] Elecciones en LACRALO- aclaración
[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] Dear Carlton, I thought the same thing too. But when the vote is changed to the one you form, check our Rules of Procedure. I copy below. As can be seen, if the meeting is in person, the vote is by show of hands, therefore it is not secret. If not, he says "there will always be an option to vote anonymously." Therefore, it should not be secret, but if someone wants to vote anonymously, they can do so. The way we vote now, all our votes are anonymous. Kind regards Albert Article 13.- The vote will be by symbolic demonstration with the hand raised in face-to-face meetings or assemblies, for matters that are not electoral and will be recorded by an official so that there can be no doubts. If the meeting is in person, the vote for election matters for LACRALO leadership positions must be in writing, on paper and delivered when the call to vote for the President is made. If the vote takes place virtually, the vote will be done by a means that guarantees the transparency of the electoral process. Specifically: • ICANN staff will share the vote weighting spreadsheet before each election; • The list of ALSes that voted will be made public; • There will always be an option to vote anonymously. -----Original message----- From: lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On behalf of carlton.samuels@gmail.com Sent on: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 1:48 PM To: lac-discuss-es@icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] [Ext] Elections in LACRALO- clarification [[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]] Dear Alberto: For the record and to answer your question, there are no secret votes. allowed in LACRALO. Voting is defined by the sun principle of governance. To be clear, voting credentials are sent to the registered voter, who is designated by each ALS. Each ALS is considered present in each vote. The disposition of each vote must be reported at the close of voting. period. That is, vote and for whom and those who do not vote. Sincerely, carlton =============================== *Carlton A. Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, process, governance, evaluation and recovery* =========================================== On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 11:26 p.m.,<alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
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Silvia and Harold, my apologies, I received several emails that caused confusion. Apparently the system remains the same. Although I support and request open voting, not secret voting.
Greetings
Albert
From: lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> In the name of Alberto Soto Roldan Sent on: Saturday, May 11, 2024 00:33 To: Silvia Vivanco<silvia.vivanco@icann.org> CC: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; LACRALO Spanish< lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [Ext] Elections in LACRALO- clarification
Silvia, unfortunately that is not the case. For many years the vote was changed to secret without having consulted Ralo, nor having explained it despite subsequent requests, on several occasions. Now it is changed again without any explanation. It is not known who ordered the change, also without consulting the RALO, and without explaining the voting methodology. As an example, I cite the emails from the staff stating that they should not be confused with the summons to vote. That's already confusing.
And they do not answer the questions of why and who determined the change.
I consider it a process with a lack of transparency.
Greetings
Alberto Soto
On May 10, 2024 23:48, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco@icann.org <mailto: silvia.vivanco@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Alberto,
1. The voting system has not changed, it is the same voting system and methodology as in 2023. 2. The emails are announcements of the vote, in addition each voter will receive their electronic voting credentials directly in their email as has always been done.
We hope the doubts have been clarified.
Thank you so much
Kind regards
Silvia Sent from my iPad
On May 10, 2024, at 9:24 PM, alberto@soto.net.ar <mailto: alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
Harold, acabo de enviar un mail al Staff pidiendo aclaración sobre los mails enviados para la votación. Lamentablemente el corrector juega malas pasadas desde el celular y salieron algunos errores. Solicito que tengas a bien aclarar lo siguiente, con carácter de urgente. 1. Porque se cambió el sistema de votación y quien lo dispuso. 2. Porqué se realizó el cambio sin previo aviso a la Ralo. El staff aclara en los mails que no se confundan. Todo es confuso. Hay nuevos votantes, y aún los que tienen experiencia pueden confundirse. Creo que esta situación amerita la suspensión de la votación hasta que se realicen las explicaciones que correspondan.
Alberto Soto
-----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > En nombre de staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Enviado el: viernes, 10 de mayo de 2024 22:02 Para: lac-discuss-es@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO Regional Recommendation for the 2024 Delegate to the NomCom from the Latin American and Caribbean Island Region
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Estimados,
Al electorado de LACRALO ALS se le ha hecho la siguiente pregunta:
¿A quién apoya para ser el Candidato Recomendado por LACRALO para el puesto de Delegado del ALAC ante el NomCom (REGION B) de la Región Insular de América Latina y el Caribe por el período de un año, a partir del final de la Asamblea General Anual ICANN81? Seleccione un candidato de la lista siguiente (en orden alfabético de apellido) o absténgase.
Seleccione un candidato de la lista siguiente (en orden alfabético de apellido) o absténgase.
*Maritza Yesenia Agüero Minana See More *Humberto Carrasco * Abstenerse
Información adicional: https://community.icann.org/x/hwIZEw
Tenga en cuenta que la encuesta se abrirá el viernes 10 de mayo de 2024 a las 23:59 UTC y cerrará el viernes 24 de mayo de 2024 a las 23:59 UTC.
*NOTA: Las boletas se enviarán a los representantes por separado. No responda a este correo electrónico, algunas personas piensan que el anuncio es la votación real*
ES:
Queridos todos,
Al electorado de LACRALO ALS se le ha hecho la siguiente pregunta:
¿A quién apoya para convertirse en el Delegado del ALAC ante el NomCom (REGIÓN B) por un período de un año comenzando al final de la Asamblea General al final de ICANN81?
Seleccione un candidato de la lista a continuación (en orden alfabético del apellido) o absténgase.
*Humberto Carrasco *Maritza Yesenia Agüero Minana See More * Abstenerse
Información adicional: https://community.icann.org/x/hwIZEw
Tenga en cuenta que la encuesta se abrirá el lunes 10 de mayo a las 23:59 UTC y se cerrará el viernes 24 de mayo a las 23:59 UTC.
Saludos cordiales,
Personal de políticas de ICANN en apoyo de la comunidad At-Large
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Dear Alberto: Thanks for putting up the details. On the face of it, the section about having an anonymous vote is conflicting and in error. The face-to-face is the default option for assemblies. It should be clear we must remove that self-inflicted tension between the face-to-face assembly where voting is open and transparent and a virtual assembly which mimics the face-to-face but configured for a secret ballot. I am placing on the record my intention to formally request an amendment to the RoP to fix this. Best, Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 12:16, <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
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Dear Carlton, I thought the same thing too. But when the vote is changed to the one you form, check our Rules of Procedure. I copy below. As can be seen, if the meeting is in person, the vote is by show of hands, therefore it is not secret. If not, he says "there will always be an option to vote anonymously." Therefore, it should not be secret, but if someone wants to vote anonymously, they can do so. The way we vote now, all our votes are anonymous. Kind regards
Albert
Article 13.- The vote will be by symbolic demonstration with the hand raised in face-to-face meetings or assemblies, for matters that are not electoral and will be recorded by an official so that there can be no doubts. If the meeting is in person, the vote for election matters for LACRALO leadership positions must be in writing, on paper and delivered when the call to vote for the President is made. If the vote takes place virtually, the vote will be done by a means that guarantees the transparency of the electoral process. Specifically: • ICANN staff will share the vote weighting spreadsheet before each election; • The list of ALSes that voted will be made public; • There will always be an option to vote anonymously.
-----Original message----- From: lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On behalf of carlton.samuels@gmail.com Sent on: Tuesday, May 14, 2024 1:48 PM To: lac-discuss-es@icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] [Ext] Elections in LACRALO- clarification
[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]]
Dear Alberto: For the record and to answer your question, there are no secret votes. allowed in LACRALO. Voting is defined by the sun principle of governance.
To be clear, voting credentials are sent to the registered voter, who is designated by each ALS.
Each ALS is considered present in each vote.
The disposition of each vote must be reported at the close of voting. period. That is, vote and for whom and those who do not vote.
Sincerely, carlton
=============================== *Carlton A. Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, process, governance, evaluation and recovery* ===========================================
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 11:26 p.m.,<alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]]
Silvia and Harold, my apologies, I received several emails that caused confusion. Apparently the system remains the same. Although I support and request open voting, not secret voting.
Greetings
Albert
From: lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> In the name of Alberto Soto Roldan Sent on: Saturday, May 11, 2024 00:33 To: Silvia Vivanco<silvia.vivanco@icann.org> CC: ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> ; LACRALO Spanish< lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [Ext] Elections in LACRALO- clarification
Silvia, unfortunately that is not the case. For many years the vote was changed to secret without having consulted Ralo, nor having explained it despite subsequent requests, on several occasions. Now it is changed again without any explanation. It is not known who ordered the change, also without consulting the RALO, and without explaining the voting methodology. As an example, I cite the emails from the staff stating that they should not be confused with the summons to vote. That's already confusing.
And they do not answer the questions of why and who determined the change.
I consider it a process with a lack of transparency.
Greetings
Alberto Soto
On May 10, 2024 23:48, Silvia Vivanco <silvia.vivanco@icann.org <mailto: silvia.vivanco@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Alberto,
1. The voting system has not changed, it is the same voting system and methodology as in 2023. 2. The emails are announcements of the vote, in addition each voter will receive their electronic voting credentials directly in their email as has always been done.
We hope the doubts have been clarified.
Thank you so much
Kind regards
Silvia Sent from my iPad
On May 10, 2024, at 9:24 PM, alberto@soto.net.ar <mailto: alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:
Harold, acabo de enviar un mail al Staff pidiendo aclaración sobre los mails enviados para la votación. Lamentablemente el corrector juega malas pasadas desde el celular y salieron algunos errores. Solicito que tengas a bien aclarar lo siguiente, con carácter de urgente. 1. Porque se cambió el sistema de votación y quien lo dispuso. 2. Porqué se realizó el cambio sin previo aviso a la Ralo. El staff aclara en los mails que no se confundan. Todo es confuso. Hay nuevos votantes, y aún los que tienen experiencia pueden confundirse. Creo que esta situación amerita la suspensión de la votación hasta que se realicen las explicaciones que correspondan.
Alberto Soto
-----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > En nombre de staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Enviado el: viernes, 10 de mayo de 2024 22:02 Para: lac-discuss-es@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO Regional Recommendation for the 2024 Delegate to the NomCom from the Latin American and Caribbean Island Region
[[-- Translated text (en -> es) --]]
Estimados,
Al electorado de LACRALO ALS se le ha hecho la siguiente pregunta:
¿A quién apoya para ser el Candidato Recomendado por LACRALO para el puesto de Delegado del ALAC ante el NomCom (REGION B) de la Región Insular de América Latina y el Caribe por el período de un año, a partir del final de la Asamblea General Anual ICANN81? Seleccione un candidato de la lista siguiente (en orden alfabético de apellido) o absténgase.
Seleccione un candidato de la lista siguiente (en orden alfabético de apellido) o absténgase.
*Maritza Yesenia Agüero Minana See More *Humberto Carrasco * Abstenerse
Información adicional: https://community.icann.org/x/hwIZEw
Tenga en cuenta que la encuesta se abrirá el viernes 10 de mayo de 2024 a las 23:59 UTC y cerrará el viernes 24 de mayo de 2024 a las 23:59 UTC.
*NOTA: Las boletas se enviarán a los representantes por separado. No responda a este correo electrónico, algunas personas piensan que el anuncio es la votación real*
ES:
Queridos todos,
Al electorado de LACRALO ALS se le ha hecho la siguiente pregunta:
¿A quién apoya para convertirse en el Delegado del ALAC ante el NomCom (REGIÓN B) por un período de un año comenzando al final de la Asamblea General al final de ICANN81?
Seleccione un candidato de la lista a continuación (en orden alfabético del apellido) o absténgase.
*Humberto Carrasco *Maritza Yesenia Agüero Minana See More * Abstenerse
Información adicional: https://community.icann.org/x/hwIZEw
Tenga en cuenta que la encuesta se abrirá el lunes 10 de mayo a las 23:59 UTC y se cerrará el viernes 24 de mayo a las 23:59 UTC.
Saludos cordiales,
Personal de políticas de ICANN en apoyo de la comunidad At-Large
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