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Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo! First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG. As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them. The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN. I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call. I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:
Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
Happy week to all
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
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There is a standing item on the At-large Review on the ALAC agenda, and the letter(s) will be discussed. HOWEVER, a main point of the CPH letter was that we did not address all of the issues raised in the ITEMS International Report. It would be useful if you could identify WHICH items you (or the CPH) believe were not addressed. Alan At 21/05/2018 10:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:
Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
Happy week to all
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
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Good clarification to ask to the CPH Chair Alan! But hopefully in a fast and efficnet way forward. LACRALO is in the middle of a process to address many of the issues raised, and we would greatl profit from clear and direct responses. Best --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 09:44, Alan Greenberg escribió:
There is a standing item on the At-large Review on the ALAC agenda, and the letter(s) will be discussed.
HOWEVER, a main point of the CPH letter was that we did not address all of the issues raised in the ITEMS International Report. It would be useful if you could identify WHICH items you (or the CPH) believe were not addressed.
Alan
At 21/05/2018 10:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl GutiÃ(c)rrez
El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió: Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
Happy week to all
Carlos Raúl GutiÃ(c)rrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
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Carlos, since you and your colleagues are the ones who believe that the CPH letter has significant merit, and you are the ones with the deadline, I strongly suggest that you or one of your colleagues ask exactly what the letter that you are supporting means. Alan At 21/05/2018 07:14 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Good clarification to ask to the CPH Chair Alan! But hopefully in a fast and efficnet way forward. LACRALO is in the middle of a process to address many of the issues raised, and we would greatl profit from clear and direct responses.
Best --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
El 2018-05-21 09:44, Alan Greenberg escribió:
There is a standing item on the At-large Review on the ALAC agenda, and the letter(s) will be discussed.
HOWEVER, a main point of the CPH letter was that we did not address all of the issues raised in the ITEMS International Report. It would be useful if you could identify WHICH items you (or the CPH) believe were not addressed.
Alan
At 21/05/2018 10:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió: Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC, I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May. Happy week to all Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN At-Large Staff <<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>staff@atlarge.icann.org > Date: Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:31 AM Subject: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC To: ALAC Announce <<mailto:alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org> alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>staff@atlarge.icann.org >
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Dear ALAC Chair, Alberto Soto made us aware of the CPH letter a few days ago, expressing his very justified worries. Alejandro Pisanti made a motion for a full dicussion of this preceived lack of communication about the handling of ALAC Review comments and quite a few of the LACRALO members seconded Alejandros motion, myslef included. As I can't participate tomorrow in the ALAC call, because of a conflicting ISOC working group, on Chapter performance by the way, I asked the 3 membes of LACRALO to take it up during this call. I greatly appreciate your gentle suggestion, but I'm no one to disuss mertis as I don't chair either group or voted for any of the drafts that hav created this perception. But as former collegue of your in the second ATRT review, and beacuse of the whole Review issue being dicussed right now you can be sure that I'm VERY ashamed to be a vounteer in two different SO/ACs in ICANN that seem to be communicating so badly! Merits or no merits of the CPH letter, I expect to hear the opinions of ALACs leaderhsip on why communication seem to be failing, and learn from either side's mistakes. Look foreard to the recording of tomorrows call. And if the moajority of ALAC sees no merits in the letter, look forward to your rejoinder to ICANNs Chair. By then I will have enough evidence if the clearly stated numbers in the CPH letter have merti or not. Have a nice evening! --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 19:12, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Carlos, since you and your colleagues are the ones who believe that the CPH letter has significant merit, and you are the ones with the deadline, I strongly suggest that you or one of your colleagues ask exactly what the letter that you are supporting means.
Alan
At 21/05/2018 07:14 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Good clarification to ask to the CPH Chair Alan! But hopefully in a fast and efficnet way forward. LACRALO is in the middle of a process to address many of the issues raised, and we would greatl profit from clear and direct responses.
Best --- Carlos Raúl GutiÃ(c)rrez
El 2018-05-21 09:44, Alan Greenberg escribió: There is a standing item on the At-large Review on the ALAC agenda, and the letter(s) will be discussed.
HOWEVER, a main point of the CPH letter was that we did not address all of the issues raised in the ITEMS International Report. It would be useful if you could identify WHICH items you (or the CPH) believe were not addressed.
Alan
At 21/05/2018 10:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl GutiÃÂ(c)rrez
El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió: Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item. In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it. IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from). It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time). This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO. Sincerely Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC, I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May. Happy week to all Carlos Raúl GutiÃÂ(c)rrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org > Date: Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:31 AM Subject: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC To: ALAC Announce < alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org > If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at staff@atlarge.icann.org with your preferred number. Also find attached, WebEx instructions. Dear All, The May ALAC Monthly Call is scheduled for Tuesday, 22 May 2018 from 12:00 - 14:00 UTC. For other times: https://tinyurl.com/y83uvmen The agenda (to be updated) and call details are available at: https://community.icann.org/x/OxoFBQ [1] New Connection Information New Web Conference Tool: Webex Please join the meeting room here: 1. Click here [mytrials.webex.com] [2] to join the online event. Or copy and paste the following link to a browser: https://mytrials.webex.com/mytrials/onstage/g.php?MTID=e6c65cd92f8fb4373cc62... [3] 2. Click "Join Now". Audio Connection: To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the event, or call the number below and enter the access code. USA Toll: 1-240-454-0879 Global call-in numbers: https://mytrials.webex.com/mytrials/globalcallin.php?serviceType=EC&ED=66970... [4] Access code: 926 423 814 Conference ID's: English: 1638 Spanish: 1738 French: 1838 Russian: 2138 Dial-in numbers: http://adigo.com/icann/ [5] If you are unable to attend the call please send an email indicating your absence and we will note this information on the agenda. If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org [6]
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I'm on assignment in Suriname but dearly wish to add my 2 cents to this debate. Pity is my 2 cents will involve delivering a history lesson, for which I now don't have the time. I am socialized to the view that when you wish to see whats in the gut of an ant, sometimes its best to step on it. And in my view, the CPH missive offered nothing more than a disapproval of the ALAC's approach to interpretation of the ITEMS report, NOT on what of the report was given consideration by the ALAC. As I understand it, what was produced for the Board has had the full treatment of the entire ALAC and, some outside the ALAC. I frankly am in a minority in certain areas of the At-Large response since I would have preferred the language of the response to be direct, pungent and memorable. That idea was rejected on account the membership erred on the side of appeasement. The CPH narrative has a history; largely bound to this idea advanced by embedded elements of the CPH that "we" are the ones providing the money to support the layabout At-Large tourists. While it is undoubtedly true some of our brethren has laboured assiduously to encourage that labeling from those elements of the CPH, I wish to be clear about of my declared and on record position. That narrative is insulting, ahistorical and a execrable misstatement of fact. I'm looking for a draft response penned years ago by my friend Evan Leibovitch that was rejected by the then ALAC as incendiary. That made all the points I would wish to air. And yes, I was a fellow traveler on that one. Let me quote my countryman Bob Marley in context: 'if you don't know your history you will not know your destiny". -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez < carlosraul@gutierrez.se> wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:
Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
Happy week to all
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
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What elso has to be said Carlton? Totally aligned with you Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Date: Monday, May 21, 2018 at 14:09 To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se> Cc: "lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "lac-discuss-en@icann.org" <lac-discuss-en@icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC I'm on assignment in Suriname but dearly wish to add my 2 cents to this debate. Pity is my 2 cents will involve delivering a history lesson, for which I now don't have the time. I am socialized to the view that when you wish to see whats in the gut of an ant, sometimes its best to step on it. And in my view, the CPH missive offered nothing more than a disapproval of the ALAC's approach to interpretation of the ITEMS report, NOT on what of the report was given consideration by the ALAC. As I understand it, what was produced for the Board has had the full treatment of the entire ALAC and, some outside the ALAC. I frankly am in a minority in certain areas of the At-Large response since I would have preferred the language of the response to be direct, pungent and memorable. That idea was rejected on account the membership erred on the side of appeasement. The CPH narrative has a history; largely bound to this idea advanced by embedded elements of the CPH that "we" are the ones providing the money to support the layabout At-Large tourists. While it is undoubtedly true some of our brethren has laboured assiduously to encourage that labeling from those elements of the CPH, I wish to be clear about of my declared and on record position. That narrative is insulting, ahistorical and a execrable misstatement of fact. I'm looking for a draft response penned years ago by my friend Evan Leibovitch that was rejected by the then ALAC as incendiary. That made all the points I would wish to air. And yes, I was a fellow traveler on that one. Let me quote my countryman Bob Marley in context: 'if you don't know your history you will not know your destiny". -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se>> wrote: Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo! First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG. As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them. The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN. I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call. I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió: Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item. In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it. IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from). It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time). This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO. Sincerely Ricardo Holmquist On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC, I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May. Happy week to all Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Date: Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:31 AM Subject: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC To: ALAC Announce <alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with your preferred number. Also find attached, WebEx instructions. Dear All, The May ALAC Monthly Call is scheduled for Tuesday, 22 May 2018 from 12:00 – 14:00 UTC. 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Common brother Carlton, very nice history, but that was all before the transit to a grown up(s) organzation we all agreed on, or didn't we? Lets get behind names and sotries a get things straigthened if necessary, or debated if wrongly preceived. Cheers --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 11:09, Carlton Samuels escribió:
I'm on assignment in Suriname but dearly wish to add my 2 cents to this debate. Pity is my 2 cents will involve delivering a history lesson, for which I now don't have the time.
I am socialized to the view that when you wish to see whats in the gut of an ant, sometimes its best to step on it. And in my view, the CPH missive offered nothing more than a disapproval of the ALAC's approach to interpretation of the ITEMS report, NOT on what of the report was given consideration by the ALAC.
As I understand it, what was produced for the Board has had the full treatment of the entire ALAC and, some outside the ALAC. I frankly am in a minority in certain areas of the At-Large response since I would have preferred the language of the response to be direct, pungent and memorable. That idea was rejected on account the membership erred on the side of appeasement.
The CPH narrative has a history; largely bound to this idea advanced by embedded elements of the CPH that "we" are the ones providing the money to support the layabout At-Large tourists. While it is undoubtedly true some of our brethren has laboured assiduously to encourage that labeling from those elements of the CPH, I wish to be clear about of my declared and on record position. That narrative is insulting, ahistorical and a execrable misstatement of fact. I'm looking for a draft response penned years ago by my friend Evan Leibovitch that was rejected by the then ALAC as incendiary. That made all the points I would wish to air. And yes, I was a fellow traveler on that one.
Let me quote my countryman Bob Marley in context: 'if you don't know your history you will not know your destiny".
-Carlton
============================== _Carlton A Samuels_ Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se> wrote:
Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo!
First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG.
As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them.
The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN.
I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call.
I wish you a very nice week.
--- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió:
Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item.
In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it.
IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from).
It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time).
This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO.
Sincerely
Ricardo Holmquist
On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC,
I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May.
Happy week to all
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
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Thank very much Carlton for this words, 100% agree Regards, Sylvia _______________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org LACRALO-ALAC Delegate to NomComm 2014-2016 De: lac-discuss-es [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Carlton Samuels Enviada em: segunda-feira, 21 de maio de 2018 14:09 Para: Carlos Raul Gutierrez Cc: LACRALO; lac-discuss-en@icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] REMINDER / Meeting Invitation: ALAC Monthly Call on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 at 12:00 UTC I'm on assignment in Suriname but dearly wish to add my 2 cents to this debate. Pity is my 2 cents will involve delivering a history lesson, for which I now don't have the time. I am socialized to the view that when you wish to see whats in the gut of an ant, sometimes its best to step on it. And in my view, the CPH missive offered nothing more than a disapproval of the ALAC's approach to interpretation of the ITEMS report, NOT on what of the report was given consideration by the ALAC. As I understand it, what was produced for the Board has had the full treatment of the entire ALAC and, some outside the ALAC. I frankly am in a minority in certain areas of the At-Large response since I would have preferred the language of the response to be direct, pungent and memorable. That idea was rejected on account the membership erred on the side of appeasement. The CPH narrative has a history; largely bound to this idea advanced by embedded elements of the CPH that "we" are the ones providing the money to support the layabout At-Large tourists. While it is undoubtedly true some of our brethren has laboured assiduously to encourage that labeling from those elements of the CPH, I wish to be clear about of my declared and on record position. That narrative is insulting, ahistorical and a execrable misstatement of fact. I'm looking for a draft response penned years ago by my friend Evan Leibovitch that was rejected by the then ALAC as incendiary. That made all the points I would wish to air. And yes, I was a fellow traveler on that one. Let me quote my countryman Bob Marley in context: 'if you don't know your history you will not know your destiny". -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se <mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se> > wrote: Thanks for your fast and thorough response Ricardo! First of all, let me clarify that I was referring to the letter of the CPH only. Not of the NCSG. As NomCom nominated member of the GNSO assigned to the CPH, I must tell you that I have never gotten the feeling that anything discussed in either group of the CPH is driven by hate. Moreover, over the last year the discussions on budget, reviews and the need for a lot of volunteer support for the very necesary policy development have been the main issues discussed at all levels of the GNSO, CPH and Registries and Registrars stakeholder groups. I really see no reason by reading the letter to assume any hidden motivation for this letter and hope that LACRALO as a Group will do as well. We really have to avoid such comments unless you have any way to substantiate them. The budgetary, personal and accountability stress that the oong list of reviews has on the whole organization is more than well documented, as you can see from the recent blog and webinar that will deal in detail with short and long term proposal from the organzation to the community to deal with the high responsability of all review. I can't read more in Graeme's letter that a very big worry about the high standars we expect from all reviews that justify the newly won independence of ICANN. I look forward to your feedback and comments on our next LACRALO call, maybe on 28 May if it gets confirmed, as I have another call tomorrow monring and wont be able to follow the ALAC call. I wish you a very nice week. --- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBFqh7xwBCAC7PBUUek72U8teLrAieWI+JBo/nz0rQObzKgzGNWm2bb+i90mD roNsrvwDJiGOsB/VAhJy6ilIhs++QrxhVEzMz6oKJa8ANaNNvnK2Z8heYm1aC97E qY6y1z853b6F3XrN8262dor9NZEqaK28NVwLsFTfkGKhb4f3rJlCDmhwxt5VHhBQ MHKGxyutq0fyJpG6QpoAoRLaYXrq+xjXARhN9JBjeRRzbjnBbWt7+lRdCrZdOxfD ivRut9F2zMJq8RmeI5goTcq03IRLtKf41A6Np5K//HLe7GlHWH9g4pSKF+UB+EMe S506TxI0dVbyT3jlTnhhfNA/bpQXHcdCZ5EhABEBAAG0F2Nhcmxvc3JhdWxAZ3V0 aWVycmV6LnNliQEcBBABAgAGBQJaoe8cAAoJEOkK/VKjr2tvztgH/1zInwNszd4w 21UilxVmXX2J1SPZG6xXwbwU5BukIm7iBVYwxxPlIAZdJbG0/QynK2oWU1e1Zjed vBemfJtjOn2yRWo3P13PUV/2/trHWgUk5bA3eIUbWDW5fQRLW+TaHC7TuRKgRaJC NgdBItEniQz7DakGzld3PWmsTvIWd4N/fqzATD3DOZmONF52lyVuAEvKoF4rMRTR emvCrL66xEu19u9+Urk7R+DQuFQMNuX0MqC6/vIsmXYZPH7jnV6ZDyzb0BUnjYcx 6MH/YwJx29yjA4iN1NpwCpy1hc+YP1oavz2t+6isM6wB0mXlAazw2d83zwypsH6C 8xgjuRFm9xQ= =RX04 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- El 2018-05-21 07:04, Ricardo Holmquist escribió: Dear Carlos Raul, The point is not in agenda, but for sure we can arise it as an AOB item. In other hand, the actual answer from Alan Greenberg is that the NCSG letter is not official, and that once official, ALAC will answer it. IMHO both letters were written with more hate than real toughs. I might agree that the external review have some trues, but my first reading a while ago is that it also contains a bunch of missinformation and half trues (reading both letters, I can find where they came from). It was the work of a lot of people, not only from ALAC, but from all the RALOs, involved in the preparation of the answer, also there were at least two comment periods, and the opportunity to submit comments to the LACRALO or ALAC working on it (I was not in ALAC, nor in the WG, altough I send several comments at the time). This is almost in the final steps of approval (or not) from the Board, to begin an implementation plan, where for sure, we all need to put more than a grain of sand to make it work, not only for ALAC, but importantly for LACRALO. Sincerely Ricardo Holmquist On Mon, 21 May 2018 at 13:50, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> > wrote: To our LACRALO representatives in ALAC, I kindly request to our members in ALAC, to take the opportunity of this call and discuss the CPH letter of 7 May to the ICANN Chairman on the ALAC Implementation Overview Proposal, Approved by the ALAC, 20 April 2018 (both attached for your convenience). Under any circumstance (not only present budgetary constrains) this letter from a GNSO constituency as very relevant to our past and future work, and we should be have all elements for a serious discussion on our next LACRALO call on 28 May. 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Vanda Scartezini