Dear Alberto:
I fully understand and empathize with the situation.  I too find the
translation abysmal.

The poor translation on the list has been an ongoing discussion between
myself and Nick Ashton-Hart.  I have personally done tests using both the on
list translation and that offered by Google.

By virtue of the far better results from the Google engine, we have proposed
that the Google translation engine be adopted for list translation in place
of what exists today.

This would involve negotiating for "cloud services" from Google. I believe
this request is being worked thru the IT directorate of ICANN.

Kind regards,
Carlton Samuels

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:41 PM, <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:

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> Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Derek_Smythe_y_Vittorio_Bertolo_e =
> =?iso-8859-1?q?n_fraude_del_Internet_y_laintersecci=F3n_con_ICANN =
> From: asoto@ibero-americano.org
>
> Considered and flaming President Andrés Piazza: in order to beable to
> fulfill
> good intentions, it is necessary before to count on some things.
>  For example: I have knowledge on security of the information, and in
> individual on Internet, but I cannot participate, due to the very bad one
> automatic translation that receipt of any mail originated in English. If
> well my English is bad, could register to me in the list in English, but it
> he would weaken the objective of the translation.
> You would have some solution for the subject of the translations, nonsingle
> for this
> subject, but for all the subjects?
> Thank you very much.
>
> Warm greetings.
>
> Dr Alberto Grove
> Director IIISI
> www.ibero-americano.org
>
> Original Message
> From: <carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm>
> To: <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:24 P.m.
> Subject: Fwd: Derek Smythe and Vittorio Bertolo in fraud of the Internet
> and
> laintersección with ICANN
> > > [ [ - - Translated text (in - > is)--]] > > > Subject: Fwd: Derek
> Smythe and Vittorio Bertolo in fraud of the Internet and  > laintersección
> with ICANN > Of: carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm > > Here under very
> interesting interchange in security of the Internet and > opinions of
> discussants of the paper of ICANN's. He at leastmarks  > stops > interesting
> reading, in my opinion. > > Carlton Samuels >
> ======================================================================== > >
> 1. Re: open letter [ En-Grande ] to ICANN (Derek Smythe) > > > > > Message:
> 1 > Date: Tue, The 07 Of April 2009 20:23:13 Of +0200 > Of: Derek Smythe <
> derek@aa419.org> > Subject: Re: [ RAA-WG ] open letter [ En-Grande ] to
> ICANN >: raa-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org > cubical Centimeter: Vittorio
> Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> > Mensaje-Identificacio'n: <
> 49DB9A11.1050303@aa419.org> > Contenido-Tipo: text/plain;
> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Vittorio, I differ and I agree.
> Understanding what is happenin!
>
>  g here > depends on the depth to understand. > > Grieved, this answer is
> longer, than much advance much  > more of length. > tact in some not known
> deeper realities to with which  > often works > these same editings. > >
> Vittorio Bertola wrote: > scritto of Derek Smythe has: > > hi >...
> > I think that you are incurring a fundamental mistake  > here - you wish
> frauding down > Web site taken by ICANN because she has  > incorrect
> information of the WHOIS > what you must wish you are something that  >
> Web site frauding is tomadoabajo close > police of its country because it
> violates  > the laws of its country. > > the police of what country that
> would be? Where? This Web site has been > indicated to the authorities more
> of once. > > > would be very, very, very at issue if the ICANN
> personnel began to take  > > > > decisions ignited if a Web site is
> "criminal" or no, possibly  > > > just close > having a fast glance
> in its Home Page o!
>
>  r due to  > > > the combined assumptions > since thos!
>  e did in
>  the complaint, as  > > > "frunces of the site personal >
> information on uncertainform.  > > > legitimate businesses does not
> collect this > type of information without  > > > precautions of
> the security ". > > If you received an email phishing, you would make an
> assumption around > he if he requested that you opened to a session to your
> certain account enuna  > strange location? > > In one of the given examples
> - seguro-wayonline, are no assumptions > required. The information are not
> based on "fast glances". > > the official legal organizations publish more
> than enough data  > to paraverificar > that this Web site is not legitimate.
> Such resources can be used a > verifies that it is abusing the record number
> of another company  > true. A > the third civil employee one indicates that
> other Web site company is robadoa > registry and abuses he in its sites,
> aiming auctions of the jewelry shop. > > More than enough information of the
> tried fraud and the!
>
>  fraud is  > available > in line. > > Pida a battery or a supplier of
> financial services similar or still  > a financier > regulating what would
> happen if he suddenly began to do > depositing or similar without at least
> using a certain security  > protocols pleasure > https. > > Convengo partly
> - no, it is not task of ICANN's of taking scam down > Web site, but where it
> demonstrates according to consultative of old fashioned ICANN the 3 of  >
> April of 2003 > is available, a this editing for the action soon. That  >
> responsibility > lies with the secretary. ICANN must assure this becomes yes
> > covered under security and stability with the Internet, also trusts  >
> inside > the Internet. > > As far as the mentioned dominions of Godaddy, the
> true proprietor  > of the address > denies any knowledge of registrant.
> ICANN also was done  > found out > this. Other dominions by the same still
> registrant existencon a > fictitious addresses; example NATWSECMAIL.INFO.
> > > How you would j!
>
>  udge http://ubsflorida.homelandssecurities.com? > the answer w!
>  ould be
> to judge it via the WHOIS and the circumstances.In > this case this is
> history that relaunches by n-th time; >
> http://db.aa419.org/fakebankslist.php?psearch=BHFINDONESIA.COM >.. > to
> use the Graphcard.com processor of the payment in the WHOIS to place  >
> dominion > with 007names.com, in spite of Graphcard that not been worth
> responsibility and > 007Names that is done found out this. >
> http://forum.aa419.org/viewtopic.php?t=29427 > > I have telephoned Joyce
> in 007names Yet personally algunosmeses back  > who > did not pay attention
> to my email where I explained what happened. She then  > requested > Him
> shipment another email. The result is there so that everything considers.  >
> Tenemos > spoofs without head of the battery that executes conel around  >
> registered proprietor of the address > not to validate responsibility.
> Unapaginación could probably write  > ten > "summary" in this - but I will
> save to him;) > > Grieved by the processed examples, but the bottom is that
> > the!
>
>  judgments are not made slightly. There are many tests that must  >
> dominion > fall before it can fraudulent be declared. > > In fact many
> dominions are watched per months before revealing his > true nature. To
> understand the situation makes the situation  > extremely > trustworthy. > >
> Deseo to give the welcome kdbuk.com that it was watched formore than nine
> > months. If outside a better man would have been rich. Without always >
> showing the content of the Web, could say to him which were. I observe it >
> references NATWSECMAIL.INFO for the email. It is a small world, but one  >
> time > I will again save a summary to him of ten paginations:) > >
> Nevertheless, the bottom is these details of the WHOIS of falsificacióndel
>  > use of the dominions, or > the mechanisms of the isolation of the abuse
> have taste of the example  > happened. This is covered in > RAA. > > >
> also would be very at issue if ICANN began to invalidar names of  > >
> > dominion > considering that!
>
>  "the introduced postal codeis  > > > incorrect ". > > A!
>  ccording
>  to the explained thing, the postal code is the smallest part of him. It
> must > has been verified before November of of 2008 if the system worked.  >
> But > raises a red indicator - why was not investigated? At least  > we >
> must an answer to the last victims of this scam. > > > nevertheless, I
> concur with the letter that the WDPRS is a useless service >  > > >
> that appears to be unfolded more like symbolic effort than stops  > >
> > true > I think that it must as soon as be fallen - if suspicious of
>  > > > people who esun Web site > making fraud, must call to the
> police, no  > > > ICANN. If the necessity of the international
> cooperation, the vario is >  > > > clean must as soon as to do >
> its work and obtains ordered to cooperate  > > > quickly ycon
> effectiveness. If > are the countries thatthey do not cooperate, later  >
> > > this one is definitively to > matter for national diplomacies a
>  > > > the cla!
>
>  ss towards outside - the E.E.U.U. could impose >their flavor of  > >
> > regulation of the intellectual characteristic to the entire world >
> with  > > > bilateral trips and agreements, does not say to me thathe
> is not > enough strong  > > > to obtain the cooperation in
> cybercrime. > > the sad fact is the world has not trained enough at the
> moment > cleans the resources to watch each dominion that tries to scam >
> users of the Internet. The jurisdiction is also a problem. Powers  >
> anonymous etc > does not help. Such legitimate users of the Internet of
> theresources  > provides a > protects its isolation are same the use of the
> criminals ofthe Internet.  > the right > now the in advance paid cards of
> the American debit/gift  > is selling in Africa (in a > the country nobody
> wishes to deal with) finishes with American address  > false > and used
> extensively to place dominions. > > I am not saying that application of law
> does not do the best one, of the !
>
>  fact > opposed! Given badly the Info registry, they are making!
>  shining
>  > to udner the circumstances in spite of ICANN and the secretaries. We
> found > doors that are struck with the foot down on the early hoursof  >
> average way in the morning > around the world to the victims. A small
> example: The Netherlands,  > Rumania > the etc, but this one is only the
> extremity of iceberg. > > Some countries sadly try and improve their image
> without the resolution > true editings that the rest of the world affects.
> This is areality  > we > must validate and construct on. > > Nevertheless,
> the gold rule of the fraud of the Internet ofa perspective of  > the victim:
> > When the money is lost, is lost by always. > > Personally I believe that
> more money is robbed with fraud in > Internet, that done by secretaries and
> ICANN. Nobody knows the truth > fragment of him and costs. > > >
> ICANN, in any case, must take care of more on fraud delInternet and  > >
> > to be more > cooperative - but referring these (possibly very valid
>  > > > and importan!
>
>  t) > complaints to the appropriate agenciesof the application of  >
> > > law depending on > the countries implied. It could act like
> camera  > > > of compensation of the information that one > could
> be very useful. > > Agreed. Equal for the secretaries. Some could be inside
>  > for a massive surprise > although. > > > finally - on "the general
> opinion of the user of the Internet of  > > > ICANN ": > > "the
> general opinion of the user of the Internet of ICANN"  > > > is
> not-existing - the users > does not know that ICANN exists. > > the
> people who know on ICANN and try and use the systems. Hágale > thinks that
> Brenda that indicated safe-wayonline.com originally will give > ICANN
> another occasion? Of her perspective she lost her time > > if  > you
> refer to "active users" and groups of user, without  > embargo, the opinion
> > is then much different according to the part from  > world. For
> example, > in Europe ICANN is pe!
>
>  rceived generally like  > additional instrument to > the Un!
>  ited Sta
> tes controls on the Internet, by  > example clearing of > Internet the
> isolation that is guaranteed to  > ciudadanoseuropeos by his > national
> laws. And it is not upset by  > favor on this - defense is not >, is
> right a cause that derives from  > cultural differences > > Ciao, > >
> Nevertheless, if the WDPRS information were taken seriouslyby "all  > the
> "secretaries and > processed by them, many of these editings can
> serevitados. > > Also requests the question; porqué if any secretary is
> satisfied  > specific > with the RAA and examines otrossecretarios the
> deception ofthe WHOIS if > no? > > Respect > > Derek >
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