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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting: Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position. We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso. ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results. Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications. Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017. Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete. In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps. In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community. This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks. best regards Alberto Soto --- Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. http://www.avast.com [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1a1613a0f7.html --]]
Good evening all, It is correct that I was informed via phone call by the Secretary that members of the RALO in BA insisted that there be a poll because of the precedent set by the election of Natalia Enciso. I was not informed however that the poll serves as the referendum for the nomination with no provision for the possibility of the majority not supporting the final result. What therefore is the point of having call for nominations, a nomination period and then a nominee, when all of this to be derailed by those who in my opinion believe they have a god given right to every official position and Heaven forbid any one from the Caribbean having the temerity to wish the same. We are now in no man's land where rules are made up as we go along with no reference to our Rules of Procedure. This is a farce. If there was an issue with my nomination there was ample time to express this. The information about the status of the voting process was always there. So we want the chance to change things despite the fact we weren't paying attention in the first instance? That is disingenuous and insulting. Part of me still believes this was a hatchet job. It is time for a honest discussion in this RALO. If there is the belief that the Caribbean constituency really has, or should not have any significant part to play here, let that be articulating clearly and then ways can be explored for us to leave. In the interim, I think I speak for the rest of my Caribbean colleagues when I suggest that strong consideration be given to having the ombudsman help us with this unsettling state of affairs. Best regards On Tuesday, July 28, 2015, <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
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Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org <javascript:;>
Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting:
Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes.
The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent.
Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position.
We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso.
ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot.
This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result:
Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results.
Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications.
Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017.
Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete.
In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps.
In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot.
It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community.
This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks.
best regards
Alberto Soto
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+1 People set on being dictators and this cannot be tolerated. ROK From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Lance Hinds Sent: Tuesday, 28 July 2015 20:38 To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? Good evening all, It is correct that I was informed via phone call by the Secretary that members of the RALO in BA insisted that there be a poll because of the precedent set by the election of Natalia Enciso. I was not informed however that the poll serves as the referendum for the nomination with no provision for the possibility of the majority not supporting the final result. What therefore is the point of having call for nominations, a nomination period and then a nominee, when all of this to be derailed by those who in my opinion believe they have a god given right to every official position and Heaven forbid any one from the Caribbean having the temerity to wish the same. We are now in no man's land where rules are made up as we go along with no reference to our Rules of Procedure. This is a farce. If there was an issue with my nomination there was ample time to express this. The information about the status of the voting process was always there. So we want the chance to change things despite the fact we weren't paying attention in the first instance? That is disingenuous and insulting. Part of me still believes this was a hatchet job. It is time for a honest discussion in this RALO. If there is the belief that the Caribbean constituency really has, or should not have any significant part to play here, let that be articulating clearly and then ways can be explored for us to leave. In the interim, I think I speak for the rest of my Caribbean colleagues when I suggest that strong consideration be given to having the ombudsman help us with this unsettling state of affairs. Best regards On Tuesday, July 28, 2015, <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote: [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org <javascript:;> Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting: Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position. We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso. ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results. Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications. Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017. Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete. In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps. In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community. This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks. best regards Alberto Soto --- Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. http://www.avast.com [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1a1613a0f7.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <javascript:;> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en -- Lance Hinds Chief Technology Officer BrainStreet Group 287 'C' Albert St. Georgetown Guyana This message contains information that may be privileged and/or confidential and is the property of BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet Learning. The information contained herein is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it . 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Hi I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should not serve as precedent for this case. The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
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Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org
Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting:
Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes.
The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent.
Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position.
We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso.
ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot.
This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result:
Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results.
Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications.
Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017.
Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete.
In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps.
In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot.
It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community.
This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks.
best regards
Alberto Soto
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Thank you Jacqueline, for the benefit of future generation, lets have the whole history well documented against rules and agreements existing at the time of each election. It would be a most useful exercise in the discussion about new rules if necessary. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez _____________________ email: crg@isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cel) +506 4000 2000 (home) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Apartado 1571-1000 San Jose, COSTA RICA
On Jul 29, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
Hi I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should not serve as precedent for this case. The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> wrote:
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Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>
Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting:
Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes.
The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent.
Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position.
We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso.
ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot.
This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result:
Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results.
Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications.
Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017.
Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete.
In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps.
In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot.
It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community.
This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks.
best regards
Alberto Soto
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Nah, that does not matter. Note instead the terminology now introduced; a '*perceived conflict of interest*'. I know weasel words when I see them, in English or Spanish. So now, one is left to ask who was the agent for this perception? How was it developed? And what measures were used to qualify the perception? And given the facts as we now know them, what measures were employed to disabuse the 'perception'? -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote:
Hi I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should not serve as precedent for this case. The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
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Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? From: asoto@ibero-americano.org
Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel Voting:
Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who voted no, others abstained and others voted yes.
The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent.
Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need make choice for that position.
We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case Natalia Enciso.
ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot.
This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result:
Before the results of the current survey on whether or not Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara determine the results.
Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero reiniciarcon a new call for applications.
Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO ALAC member for 2015-2017.
Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus we have made a choice according explained, taking three background Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was incomplete.
In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the Voting next steps.
In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot.
It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting prior to the community.
This is rational only solution we have found to solve this such drawbacks.
best regards
Alberto Soto
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asoto＠ibero-americano.org -
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez -
Carlton Samuels -
Jacqueline Morris -
Lance Hinds -
Roosevelt King