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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Dear Chris, there are no parts, that is LACRALO, for me there are no divisions or parts. Some are unhappy with a decision and others agree. Someone is expressed in term unsuitable and other correctly. Everyone has the right to express themselves, but correctly and with proper fundamentals. We all have to do what is necessary so there is no fighting, and that's what we try to do. best regards Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of chris.lahatte@icann.org Posted on: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:17 pm To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO; Albert Daniels Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????????= Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = [[Translated text (en -> en) -]] Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = From: chris.lahatte@icann.org Can I ask that the parties face problems. I think there are some strong opinions, but there is an ongoing survey, perhaps waiting for this to be completed may be the best course today. If the issues are discussed then we can leave the strongest language used. If anyone wants to reach me please do it though. Cheers Sent from my iPad On 07/24/2015, at 9:54 am, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > He wrote: Carlton, I'm OK for the last time your use of offensive language. Your Next message with offensive language sermateria WORKING Ombudsman. Your vocabulary words in unacceptable results in Spanish. The conflict of interest spear Do not comes from business activity propia.El conflict lies in its representation through Business in the Chamber. Some of these businesses have structural conflcto UN son Users Users For customers of their services. Jacqueline, the expression of semi-finished products was amended and extended after starting the election. Alejandro Pisanty Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > He wrote: [[--Translated Text (en -> en) -]] Subject: Re: 'irregularity' is ste Tiresome Against At-Large Staff From: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> My friend Alexander, little more will irritate the rhetoric UN scam. Y no Please, I accept that I am using the classical sense [english] word. What I know is unfortunate alleges Purely shit. Lance Hinds ICANN is articulated through the UN one Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN and the caucus At-Large and LACRALO As Representative DevNet; He is the President And His LACRALO Representative para. DEVNET is a nongovernmental organization that provides ICT Development The services that are in the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet Thusly it represents interests of end users.Think of DEVNET As the version of Guyana Users surfer etc etc. Man is the president of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce under its Owned by a small version; BrainStreet technologies. l derived Do income, the living wage, especially without GET THAT negocio.l Paid As President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. Aquestel problem. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean have many lives; Call your response to this deficit of Capacidad.Decir Lanza can not be a businessman and also represent the interests of the user when final l is president of an NGO - The one through which you have connected to the ICANN system - just delusional paragraph seems some of us. At Least paragraph those of us in the Caribbean son any thing paragraph Volunteers or Other. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 * Strategy, Planning, Government, evaluation and Delivery * ============================= Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > I wrote:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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I fully support debate as we must feel free to challenge decisions. But we can so with civil discourse, and still get our voices heard. We must challenge the idea and not the person. So hopefully the vote can be completed, and perhaps some better discussions can take place. Sent from my iPad
On 24/07/2015, at 12:48 pm, "asoto@ibero-americano.org" <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org
Dear Chris, there are no parts, that is LACRALO, for me there are no divisions or parts. Some are unhappy with a decision and others agree. Someone is expressed in term unsuitable and other correctly. Everyone has the right to express themselves, but correctly and with proper fundamentals. We all have to do what is necessary so there is no fighting, and that's what we try to do. best regards
Alberto Soto
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of chris.lahatte@icann.org Posted on: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:17 pm To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO; Albert Daniels Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????????= Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff =
[[Translated text (en -> en) -]]
Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = From: chris.lahatte@icann.org
Can I ask that the parties face problems. I think there are some strong opinions, but there is an ongoing survey, perhaps waiting for this to be completed may be the best course today. If the issues are discussed then we can leave the strongest language used. If anyone wants to reach me please do it though.
Cheers
Sent from my iPad
On 07/24/2015, at 9:54 am, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > He wrote:
Carlton,
I'm OK for the last time your use of offensive language. Your Next message with offensive language sermateria WORKING Ombudsman. Your vocabulary words in unacceptable results in Spanish.
The conflict of interest spear Do not comes from business activity propia.El conflict lies in its representation through Business in the Chamber. Some of these businesses have structural conflcto UN son Users Users For customers of their services.
Jacqueline, the expression of semi-finished products was amended and extended after starting the election.
Alejandro Pisanty
Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > He wrote:
[[--Translated Text (en -> en) -]]
Subject: Re: 'irregularity' is ste Tiresome Against At-Large Staff From: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>
My friend Alexander, little more will irritate the rhetoric UN scam. Y no Please, I accept that I am using the classical sense [english] word.
What I know is unfortunate alleges Purely shit.
Lance Hinds ICANN is articulated through the UN one Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN and the caucus At-Large and LACRALO As Representative DevNet; He is the President And His LACRALO Representative para.
DEVNET is a nongovernmental organization that provides ICT Development The services that are in the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet Thusly it represents interests of end users.Think of DEVNET As the version of Guyana Users surfer etc etc.
Man is the president of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce under its Owned by a small version; BrainStreet technologies. l derived Do income, the living wage, especially without GET THAT negocio.l Paid As President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
Aquestel problem. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean have many lives; Call your response to this deficit of Capacidad.Decir Lanza can not be a businessman and also represent the interests of the user when final l is president of an NGO - The one through which you have connected to the ICANN system - just delusional paragraph seems some of us.
At Least paragraph those of us in the Caribbean son any thing paragraph Volunteers or Other.
-Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 * Strategy, Planning, Government, evaluation and Delivery * =============================
Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > I wrote:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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