Re: [lac-discuss-en] ? = Iso-8859-1 q = ACCREDITATION F3n_de_ISOC_Venezuela =?
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:? = Iso-8859-1 q = ACCREDITATION F3n_de_ISOC_Venezuela =? From: vanda@uol.com.br Humberto acurdo. The open site allows whoever put your APRA consideracin ALAC comments. Hugs Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200 - Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 On 4/30/14 6:31, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear:
The truth is that the email exchange was so intense that My is impossible to put them all in the WIKI.
Because of this, it podrseguir not. If you want Opinin consideration by ALAC when the time comes to decide, Put their arguments and opinions in this direction:
https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+ALS+App Polycation ISOC + + +198 Venezuela
The maximum period for comment is to the May 5, 2014.
Greetings
Dear all:
The truth Is that the exchange of emails has been so intense That it Becomes impossible for me to put all of them in the WIKI.
Because of this, I can not keep doing it. If you want that your opinion Is Deemed by by ALAC at the moment of taking the decision, Please, Place your arguments and opinions In this direction:
https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+ALS+App Polycation ISOC + + +198 Venezuela
The deadline for comments is to the 5th May, 2014.
Regards
El 30/04/2014 3:24 a.m., eduardo@mendez.net.ve wrote: Erick >> Regards,
No >> go far, authoritarianism could also not be taken into
Account to a group of people That on the basis of arguments vlidos express their discomfort or Rejection >> about certain decision.I think I just Line with the spirit of openness and diversity of this community Is to develop a small study to collect so believable and Determining >> whether this or any other chapter has AllDel ms Single speech >> to assume the great responsibility of representation of Internet >> citizens in a country.
In all this time >> only been made value judgments yet An >> I see no information on: isoc.org.ve (7 years of lethargy
) And isocvenezuela.org (newly registered)
Frankly, it is so difficult to maintain a web site and lists Email? requires large sources of funding to sustain the Effort? It is contradictory that an organization such as ISOC-VE Dismiss these spaces to establish a meeting point Needed >> with users in the country?
The benefit of the doubt in this case is in my opinion a compromise Diversity and freedom that you mention.
El 04/29/2014 17:14, Erick Iriarte wrote: Sergio >>>
Have never thought of you cheating or putting messages to
Step >>> the stick, I've always thought that you discuss in the clearest Democrtico >>> spirit; asque if you say I have trodden the stick is that You have created >>> traps.
On my >>> action CONATEL assistance, your own government, has Been >>> assistance because they were part of the ccTLD. Seen as part of my LACTLD >>> function in, sorry if you miscarry speech, my government Venezuelan >>> has not paid me (if you?).
On my defense >>> ISOC Venezuela, it is quite clear my position
Several months, several years ago and mostly quite some time, Against all forms of authoritarianism in any instance; by Both >>> restrict access to an area not institucina Discriminatory >>> is an action of discrimination. And it is unfortunate that Come >>> your pro-government position.
Shun the phrase >>> No, I said directly, ISOC Venezuela this Formed by >>> users and individuals, being as their activities Complementary >>> are not relevant because but in your own data: Http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Sergio_Bronstein >>> where it says "Mr. Also works for >>> Bronstein CDNTV's Marketing and Communications, I >>> also invalidate ALAC to participate.
On >>> epithets, you give them to people who do not are present.
Greetings and good living >>>
Erick >>>
On 29/04/2014, at 18:06, Sergio Bronstein <bronstein.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
Qubueno >>>> you've stepped on the stick ...
And since >>>> discriminator and accused me violator of rights Human >>>> I look at liberty to ask if you closed position ISOC help >>>> in Venezuela is about to defend a ms
Client for whom you have worked for your position by Democracy. They've done that also consultants for the state Venezuelan >>>> (Conatel) Serpor your Democratism or "bussiness are Bussiness >>>> ".
ALAC >>>> is not a space for entrepreneurs but for users, this is The central element >>>> which you must discuss and not hide with
Accusations that have nothing to do with the subject in one cuestin.En Debate is very easy >>>> try to discredit the opponent or detracting Adjetivndolo >>>> "That's antidemocrtico, not plural, does not believe in Private property, wants to take away parental rights, the Cars, properties, etc.., Etc.. ". Qupena you've used a Primary resource >>>> san!
Erik >>>> But, you ests fleeing the central debate: BE OR NOT ADMITTED ALAC >>>> IN AN ORGANIZATION COMPOSED SO DECLARED BY EMPLOYERS >>>>? And in my opinion, that's ISOC Venezuela and what you Propose to >>>> region is we verify if this is aso if I Wrong >>>> and, pending that the decision posterguemos
Neither >>>> ms or less. If we agree with this we can begin Sincere >>>> serious debate, without epithets or meanness.
Regards,
Sergio >>>> Bronstein
The >>>> April 29, 2014, 17:44, Erick Iriarte
<eiriarte@alfa-redi.org> wrote: Ah Sergio >>>>
Now >>>> better understand your Spanish, in terms of internet Who manage >>>> is administered, and no doubt your fear is Impossible >>>> in a government model that is increasingly private The lesser to >>>> commons.
I >>>> is absolutely clear with your message, which again is not a Target >>>> issue, but from your subjective difference as a supporter of One ideology >>>> not considered appropriate that someone of ideology Different from yours >>>> can participate in a space that I inform you Ledo >>>> if you have not, have not any discrimination.
Being as >>>> the discrimination by politician, cultural character or Religious >>>> that might arise is contrary to human rights, and Democracy >>>>; if you keep your position clear to me is more than clear Your >>>> action is discriminatory and politico character.
Greetings >>>>
Erick >>>>
The >>>> 04.29.2014, at 17:07, Sergio Bronstein
<bronstein.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
The phrase >>>>> causconfusiones escriby that is this:
"From what I understand, Cavedatos, the chamber of
ICT entrepreneurs >>>>> has long been managing the Administration >>>>> domains Venezuela currently Travs >>>>> managed at a state institution the Commission National Telecommunications >>>>> (Conatel) "
The meaning of >>>>> what I mean is clear: According to the
Information I have, what people want is Cavedatos Keep >>>>> the administration of domains that hits today Venezuelan state >>>>>.
Is in this sense that I propose will be postponed until the decision We can verify the transparency of the applicant and not rush A decision >>>>> that may cause us problems.
Regards, Sergio >>>>> Bronstein
The >>>>> April 29, 2014, 17:23, Sergio Bronstein
<bronstein.sergio@gmail.com> wrote: Again >>>>>? NO >>>>> I managed that, but I was managing to do so.
Quiztu >>>>> everyday language is not Castilian. I'll explain in another
Words, was trying to (managing) keep a business Estbajo >>>>> today the administration of the Venezuelan state.
A good listener, few words.
Ms >>>>> greetings, Sergio >>>>>
On 29 April 2014 17:14, Erick Iriarte <eiriarte@alfa-redi.org> wrote:
Sergio >>>>>
Will >>>>> again, where do you get that Cavedatos administered domains
In Venezuela?
I copy >>>>> table IANA. Sees
Sponsoring Organisation >>>>>
National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL) Veracruz >>>>> Av, Bldg CONATEL, Las Mercedes Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of Administrative Contact >>>>>
Mr. Jess Rivera >>>>> National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL) Veracruz >>>>> Av, BldgCONATEL, Las Mercedes Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of Email: jrivera@conatel.gob.ve Voice: +58 212 9090466 Fax: +58 212 9936794 Technical Contact >>>>>
Support Technician >>>>> National Telecommunications Commission >>>>> (CONATEL) Veracruz >>>>> Av, Bldg CONATEL, Las Mercedes Miranda Caracas 1060 >>>>>
Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic Of Email: soportenicve@conatel.gob.ve Voice: +58 212 9090435 Fax: +58 212 9090329
Please tell me where in any part CAVEDATOS says.
Erick >>>>>
The >>>>> 04.29.2014, at 16:39, Sergio Bronstein
<bronstein.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
I never said that. Afirmque Cavedatos was managing the Domain >>>>>> administration in Venezuela, that he did not Ever.
Central >>>>>> But our view is that anyone who claims to be Venezuela >>>>>> ISOC president is also "life" President The camera >>>>>> business of Tics (Cavedatos) sector and, in this Sense is incompatible with >>>>>> assume the representation of
Users. O defends users or profits from them, nor Ms >>>>>> no less.
Regards,
Sergio >>>>>> Bronstein
On 29 April 2014 15:58, Erick Iriarte <eiriarte@alfa-redi.org> wrote:
Sergio >>>>>>
Cavedatos >>>>>> an important precision has never been Administration >>>>>> domains Venezuela, has gone from REACCIUN >>>>>> to CNTI and now CONATEL. That's important xq your
Argument is based on incorrect information.
Greetings >>>>>>
Erick >>>>>>
The >>>>>> 29.04.2014, at 15:03, Sergio Bronstein
<bronstein.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good afternoon to everyone s > Really ISOC theme Venezuela has to do more with Interests >>>>>> > That right or justice > > From what I understand, Cavedatos, the chamber of Of entrepreneurs >>>>>> > ICT has long been managing the administration of The >>>>>> > Domains to Travs Venezuela currently are managed in a > State institution the National Telecommunications Commission > (Conatel). > > And this theme is central, because the "lifetime" president This camera >>>>>> > Businesswoman is mr.Holmquist, who never tires of repeating that Is >>>>>> ISOC president >>>>>>> Venezuela (did recently in a Interview >>>>>> > Issued by CNN). > > In my view, this should become a test case for Our >>>>>> > Organization, no question of discrimination but of roles Institutional >>>>>>> that we cherish, we are going in this life Our >>>>>> > Organization. We can not allow employers masquerade User >>>>>> > To continue profiting from them. If they pave the way In Lacralo >>>>>> ISOC >>>>>>> Venezuela, through the enormous resources Entrepreneurs >>>>>> > Cavedatos, will have a position of dominance over Organization and will put >>>>>> > Seriously risk our future. > > On the other hand, if the subject causes so much controversy, culture will The reason for >>>>>> > Give income now and not wait to estformalmente And constituted >>>>>> > We can properly evaluate your goals and members. In this Case, > Definitely good counselor because if we give the login and then Checked >>>>>> > We made a mistake, shoot it down will be very difficult. > > As indicated, the position of our organization is the No income >>>>>> ISOC >>>>>>> of Venezuela > > Hugs, Sergio >>>>>>> Bronstein President >>>>>>> Venezuela Internauta >>>>>>> > > > > On April 29, 2014, 10:11, Natalia Enciso > <natalia.enciso@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Based on the criterion of web-of-trust used for Approval >>>>>> >> ALS, supporting the approval of ISOC VENEZUELA. >> I know several of the members with whom I could share in And the LACIGF >>>>>> >> IGF last year. They are young boys, students, Advocates >>>>>> >> Freedom of expression among others. Are doing a great Work >>>>>> >> ESTN involved in Internet Governance. >> >> Regarding the criteria relate to a company because One of its >> Is a staff member of that company, I do not like a Valid criterion. Already >> The charges are temporary and do not take a decision One person >>>>>> >> But the referee is a Board of Directors or Board. The NGO Has >>>>>> >> Jurdica personera distinct from its members or associates. No >>>>>> the >> Can be equated to that of a physical person. The deciciones the Takes >>>>>> >> Or directory depending on its statutes the General Assembly. >> >>'s My opinion. >> Natalia >>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 29 April 2014 10:23, Antonio Gómez Medina >> <amedinagomez@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Buenos das. >>> The Colombian Association of Internet Users give their vote Favor >>>>>> ISOC request >>>>>>>>> Venezuela >>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>> >>> - Antonio Gómez Medina >>>>>>>>> President >>>>>>>>> >>> Colombian Association of Internet Users Presidencia@acui.co >>>>>>>>> >>> @ Amedinagomez Skype >>>>>>>>> amedinagomez Cell 3118689626 >>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>>>> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>>>>>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> - >> Natalia.enciso @ gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss-en mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>>> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >>>>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Lac-discuss-en mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > Http://www.lacralo.org >>>>>>>
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