Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised. We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things. And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. Carlos Aguirre. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general assembly and it was dealt with then. It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email. Regards Cintra On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of acceptance of this ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm To: Cintra Sooknanan CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts That Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship Between organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your ITS Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on ICANN Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one or Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let us know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each ' region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for regions Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users individually. We Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have Been to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are maintained by the community. They are:
African Region: www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region: www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region: www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region: www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you Have Any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
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As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy. However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well. My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised. We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things. And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of acceptance of this ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm To: Cintra Sooknanan CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization
will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts That Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship Between organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your ITS Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on ICANN Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one or Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let us know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each ' region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for regions Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users individually. We Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have Been to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are maintained by the community. They are:
African Region: www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region: www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region: www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region: www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you Have Any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
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Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your membership):
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Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy. However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well. My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised. We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things. And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. Carlos Aguirre. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general assembly and it was dealt with then. It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email. Regards Cintra On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
---------------------------
Name:
Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your
membership):
Mission:
Member benefits:
Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional):
Website:
Other (additional informational you would like included):
_______________________________________________
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Well, as far as I know, and since at least 2005, the official notification of a new ALS is the vote by ALAC, NOT the courtesy welcome email referred to here. I'm also at a loss regarding the "objection" post "notification" you refer to - there has never been such process. Any objection is from the region, and is registered BEFORE the ALAC vote. Of course, I'm sure current ALAC members can clarify what the current procedure is, if it has indeed changed, but I have found no record of such a radical change in policy. Jacqueline On Apr 5, 2012 10:06 AM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed.
It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy. However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well. My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised. We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things. And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of acceptance of this ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm To: Cintra Sooknanan CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization
will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts That Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship Between organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your ITS Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on ICANN Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one or Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let us know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each ' region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for regions Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users individually. We Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have Been to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are maintained by the community. They are:
African Region: www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region: www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region: www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region: www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you Have Any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff@atlarge.icann.org.
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It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there. Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it. Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. Kind Regards Jose Arce.- 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
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Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system. So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so. It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
---------------------------
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Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your
membership):
Mission:
Member benefits:
Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional):
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Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
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[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
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Carlos, Please... Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any courtesy email being sent. Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first RALOs were formed. Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than one. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency -
Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
---------------------------
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Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your
membership):
Mission:
Member benefits:
Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional):
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jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more meaning to what I say. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Carlos, Please... Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any courtesy email being sent. Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first RALOs were formed.
Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than one.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency -
Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
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Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
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It might be a language thing, but I have no idea what you mean by "actualization" in this context. Defn: to make actual or real; turn into action or fact. How can a vote according to a process NOT turn into fact, if the fact is defined as being created by the action of voting? There's a process, everything was done according to the process, that's fair and transparent. If any changes need to be done, there's processes for that too (working groups). I don't see how my mind is not open, as I have not put MY pov at all, as to whether it should be changed or not. I have made no value judgements, only attempted to remind people what the process is, so that it can be applied fairly and consistently (extremely important for transparency) Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more meaning to what I say.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Carlos, Please... Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any courtesy email being sent. Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first RALOs were formed.
Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than one.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency -
Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
> From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
>
> I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification > of
> acceptance of this
> ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
>
>
> I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just > something
> is not clear when it comes to transparency
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> JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
> salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > Behalf > Of
> ICANN
> At-Large Staff
> Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
> To: Cintra Sooknanan
> CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev > Anand
> Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
> lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, > Olivier > MJ
> Crepin-Leblond
> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
>
>
> Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
>
>
> ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform > You > That
> (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been > certified > as
> an
> At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your > groups
> Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks > forward > to
> working
> with you and your colleagues.
>
>
> The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your > organization
> meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users > at > the
> local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your > organization > will
> Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN > Efforts
> That
> Affect end-users.
>
>
> The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your > relationship
> Between
> organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and > your
> input
> on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
>
>
> We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization > keep > your
> ITS
> Informed members (about significant news and information from > ICANN > on
> ICANN
> Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of > interest:
>
>
> - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
> Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses > of > one
> or
> Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information > and
> correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, > please > let
> us
> know.
>
>
> - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, > for > each > '
> region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of > contact
> you
> Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just > for
> regions
> Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing > list > for
> Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), > you > are
> Others Invited to join as you wish.
>
>
> - ALS information. Information about your organization will be > shared > with
> the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your > group's
> Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with > other > groups
> ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > complete
> and email the form at the bottom of This note to > staff@atlarge.icann.org.
>
>
> - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
> for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
> individually. We
> Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC > relies > on
> Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > information.
> Translations of
> documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
>
>
> - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also > Have
> Been
> to distribute information (including in local languages) on > Activities,
> events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. > These > are
> maintained by the community. They are:
>
>
> African Region:
> www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
>
>
> Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
> www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
>
>
> European Region:
> www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
>
>
> Latin America / Caribbean Region:
> www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
>
>
> North American Region:
> www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
>
>
> We look forward to working with you and your organization's > members > to
> Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If > you
> Have Any
> questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
> The At-Large Advisory Committee
> www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
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Dear jacqueline. for me this discussion was too much, and I dont want to sick our readers. is yours the last word. bye Regards. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:25:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
It might be a language thing, but I have no idea what you mean by "actualization" in this context. Defn: to make actual or real; turn into action or fact. How can a vote according to a process NOT turn into fact, if the fact is defined as being created by the action of voting?
There's a process, everything was done according to the process, that's fair and transparent. If any changes need to be done, there's processes for that too (working groups).
I don't see how my mind is not open, as I have not put MY pov at all, as to whether it should be changed or not. I have made no value judgements, only attempted to remind people what the process is, so that it can be applied fairly and consistently (extremely important for transparency)
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
jacqueline. please understand my POV, open your mind, is not a legal position. rules and processes need a permanent actualization. All of this due to the evolution and the problems that arise in the movement to the future. changes occurs. I know there are WG in progress, it gives more meaning to what I say.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Carlos, Please... Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any courtesy email being sent. Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first RALOs were formed.
Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than one.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency -
Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and hence part of the RALO structure. As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> > > > Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end > users in > the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and > give the > transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to > notify > the > ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can > participate > actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the > end > users > and the transparency needed is not completed. > It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos > Dionisio > Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; > cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com > > As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what > I > know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as > well > as > ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the > ALAC > vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply > a > courtesy. > > > However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but > rather, a > rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this > reason > as > well. > > > My $0.02 > Jacqueline > On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" > <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your > participatíon > in > LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this > case > and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your > participatíon > and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions > must > be > revised. > > > We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to > do > the > correct things. > > And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > > > > Carlos Aguirre. > > Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > > To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > > Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > > > > Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the > general > > assembly and it was dealt with then. > > > > It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > > responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or > staff > > to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > > that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some > delay > (i'm > > assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this > email. > > > > Regards > > > > Cintra > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com > > > > > > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification > > of > > > acceptance of this > > > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just > > something > > > is not clear when it comes to transparency > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > > > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On > > Behalf > > Of > > > ICANN > > > At-Large Staff > > > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > > > To: Cintra Sooknanan > > > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev > > Anand > > > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > > > lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, > > Olivier > > MJ > > > Crepin-Leblond > > > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > > > > > > > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > > > > > > > > > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform > > You > > That > > > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been > > certified > > as > > > an > > > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your > > groups > > > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks > > forward > > to > > > working > > > with you and your colleagues. > > > > > > > > > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your > > organization > > > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users > > at > > the > > > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your > > organization > > will > > > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN > > Efforts > > > That > > > Affect end-users. > > > > > > > > > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your > > relationship > > > Between > > > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and > > your > > > input > > > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization > > keep > > your > > > ITS > > > Informed members (about significant news and information from > > ICANN > > on > > > ICANN > > > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of > > interest: > > > > > > > > > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > > > Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses > > of > > one > > > or > > > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information > > and > > > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, > > please > > let > > > us > > > know. > > > > > > > > > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, > > for > > each > > ' > > > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of > > contact > > > you > > > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just > > for > > > regions > > > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing > > list > > for > > > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), > > you > > are > > > Others Invited to join as you wish. > > > > > > > > > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be > > shared > > with > > > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your > > group's > > > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with > > other > > groups > > > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > > complete > > > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > > staff@atlarge.icann.org. > > > > > > > > > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > > > > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > > > individually. We > > > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC > > relies > > on > > > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > > information. > > > Translations of > > > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > > > staff@atlarge.icann.org. > > > > > > > > > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also > > Have > > > Been > > > to distribute information (including in local languages) on > > Activities, > > > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. > > These > > are > > > maintained by the community. They are: > > > > > > > > > African Region: > > > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > > > > > > > > > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > > > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > > > > > > > > > European Region: > > > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > > > > > > > > > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > > > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > > > > > > > > > North American Region: > > > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > > > > > > > > > We look forward to working with you and your organization's > > members > > to > > > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. 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Again, my brother, I quite understand that you would have been more comfortable knowing what took place. And communication to the ALS is a primary role for the LACRALO representatives to ALAC. Note carefully the addressee of the communication from Staff; ISOC-TT. LACRALO members are merely copied by courtesy. That neither the communication from ALAC thru LACRALO ALAC representatives nor the copied message from Staff did not happen in a short time cannot be held against ISOC-TT. Neither would it be a good enough reason to deny or withhold any of the benefits of membership of LACRALO bestowed on ISOC-TT by the ALAC. That would be a gross violation of the tenets of natural justice. Cheers, - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:06 AM, carlos dionisio aguirre < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as well.
My $0.02 Jacqueline On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
acceptance of this
ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A.
salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
ICANN
At-Large Staff
Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
To: Cintra Sooknanan
CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That
(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as
an
At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
working
with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the
local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
That
Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
Between
organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
input
on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your
ITS
Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
ICANN
Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one
or
Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let
us
know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each '
region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact
you
Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for
regions
Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for
Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are
Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with
the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's
Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups
ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete
and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
individually. We
Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on
Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information.
Translations of
documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have
Been
to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities,
events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are
maintained by the community. They are:
African Region:
www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region:
www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region:
www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region:
www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to
Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
Have Any
questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee
www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org>
staff@atlarge.icann.org
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My Brother Carlos: I'm in India and reading this. While I hate to disagree with you, I do believe in this case you erred in fact and the principles. The ALS ratification process is fixed in time. First, an application from the ALS request ICANN to receive it in the At-Large community. ICANN then commits the request to the ALAC for action. ALAC has a process, well documented for these actions. ALAC proceeds with its due diligence phase according to the rules of procedure. This includes sending a request to the RALO for advice. Upon receipt of the RALO's advice, the question put to the vote of ALAC members is whether to 1) Accept 2) Reject or 3) Abstain from accepting the advice of the RALO. In the case of ISOC-TT, LACRALO's advice to the ALAC was to ACCEPT and certify this ALS. That vote was taken during the ALAC meeting on March 14. Soon as that vote is taken and so long as that vote is quorate and so long as the vote is AFFIRMATIVE, then ISOC-TT is a member in good standing of LACRALO. LACRALO representatives to the ALAC may have missed the vote; I think the record would so confirm. But that vote was quorate and, affirmative. And by virtue of these facts, ISOC-TT became a fully paid up member of LACRALO on March 14 with all the rights and privileges pertaining. Best, - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be revised. We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the correct things. And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of acceptance of this ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something is not clear when it comes to transparency
JosOvidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of ICANN At-Large Staff Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm To: Cintra Sooknanan CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as an At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to working with you and your colleagues.
The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization
will
Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts That Affect end-users.
The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship Between organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your input on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your ITS Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on ICANN Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of one or Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please let us know.
- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each ' region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact you Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for regions Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are Others Invited to join as you wish.
- ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared with the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other groups ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please complete and email the form at the bottom of This note to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users individually. We Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information. Translations of documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to staff@atlarge.icann.org.
- At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have Been to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These are maintained by the community. They are:
African Region: www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org>
Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
European Region: www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
Latin America / Caribbean Region: www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
North American Region: www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you Have Any questions, or need additional information, please contact us at staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Sincerely,
The At-Large Advisory Committee www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
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