Re: [lac-discuss-en] [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
Others, such as as LACTLD have expressed their concern after the action of the military forces against the ccTLD operator,
Thanks, Patrick. On Monday I raised this question and is been having an important treatment in LACRALO List. Also I communicate this to Cheryl and Rudi in order to get ALAC and ccNSO. RDS-HN.
http://www.lactld.org/News_Item.2009-09-27.9610720521 English http://www.lactld.org/News_Item.2009-09-28.9048048483
RDS-HN has been delegated the management of the .hn TLD under the process set forth by RFC1591. The have signed an accountability framework with ICANN. The Hondurian telecom operator Conatel has no such agreement with ICANN and did not follow the redelegation process. As such it is an illegitimate ccTLD operator.
According to the RFC, TLD operators "are trustees for the delegated domain, and have a duty to serve the community." and be "equitable to all groups in the domain that request domain names".
This is exactly like that, and this arguments are much easier to raise that politicals (also, because we are not at ICANN At Large to express ourselves about the Legitimacy or not of a Government or some internal law in Honduras). In LACRALO we are taking a little time to find out some aspects (specially regarding CONATEL) in order to get our own official statement. If you see my proposal there, I´m asking also to get an ALAC´s statement and, even, to raise this to ccNSO and the Board.
Further, "Significantly interested parties in the domain should agree that the designated manager is the appropriate party" and "transfer of the designated manager trusteeship from one organization to another, the IANA must receive communications from both the old organization and the new organization that assure the IANA that the transfer in mutually agreed". Given the way the military have proceeded, I do not think these conditions are met.
Totally agree. This particular aspect wasn´t treated in LACRALO. I will copy this response to the regional list and consider to the text.
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
I think the At-Large community should express its concern about the situation and encourage ICANN to find a solution to this issue.
Patrick
Definitely. Regards, Andrés Piazza LACRALO Chair
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:30:57 -0300, "Presidencia Internauta" <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
Posición de Internauta Argentina ante el intento del Gobierno Golpista de Honduras para tomar de forma repentina y abrupta la operación del cctld .hn
La Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet, quiere manifestar su repudio al acto criminal del que fueron objeto los compañeros integrantes de la Red de Desarrollo Sostenible de Honduras por parte de la dictadura de la Republica hermana de Honduras.
Proseguimos con nuestra solidaridad con el pueblo Hondureño manifestada desde el primer momento que sucedió el movimiento destituyente en ese país, como hemos acompañado todo reclamo y lucha por la justicia y la democracia de todos los pueblos del mundo.
Creemos que solo la autodeterminación de los pueblos y el respeto del sistema democrático son los únicos medios idóneos para la solución de los problemas dentro de un país.
No debe de haber lugar a legitimar ninguna acción propuesta por movimientos destituyentes del sistema democrático, por ninguna de las estructuras de participacion o de toma de decision de ICANN.
Desconocemos la autoridad de estas personas que en nombre del estado de Honduras intentan someter la administración del cctld.hn e instamos a que ICANN se manifieste en este sentido, no puede quedar dudas de la ilegitimidad del accionar de estas personas.
Repudiamos la acción u omisión en sus actos de muchos profesionales de informática que prestan sus conocimientos para apoyar estas inactivas del golpismo Antidemocrático Hondureño.
Abogamos por el regreso del sistema constitucional al país como así también de su legítimo presidente Manuel Zelaya y repudiamos enérgicamente los abusos a los medios de comunicación y a la Red de Desarrollo Sostenible como ente encargada de la registración del cctld .hn.
Saludos Cordiales
Con mandato por la Comision Directiva reunida el dìa 28 de Septiembre de 2009
Firman:
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres, Glad to see I did not get it all wrong. With regard to teh registry services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility. Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern. Hope this clarifies it a bit. Patrick
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:24:0> From: patrick@vande-walle.eu To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres,
Glad to see I did not get it all wrong.
Hi Patrick, on the contrary, I consider that your thinking is the correct way. With regard to teh registry
services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable.
Now the service is suspended. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias
is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility.
Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern. Hope this clarifies it a bit.
It does. Do you think a statement should include some reference to the current technical provider and/or the other possible technical providers? Regards, Andrés Piazza LACRALO Chair
Patrick
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:30:48 +0000, Andres Piazza
Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern. Hope this clarifies it a bit.
It does. Do you think a statement should include some reference to the current technical provider and/or the other possible technical providers?
I do not think so. Contractual aspects between registries and backend providers are none our business. A statement should be more generic, like "We are concerned that the current situation might lead to instability of the DNS system, because the respective parties responsibilities are no more well defined". Patrick
I would suspect that Afilias running the technical part is also running the payment system, therefore collecting the money and sending the cheque to RDS-HN? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick@vande-walle.eu> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: "LAC DISCUSS" <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thursday, 1 October, 2009 12:24:08 AM GMT +12:00 Fiji Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres, Glad to see I did not get it all wrong. With regard to teh registry services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility. Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern. Hope this clarifies it a bit. Patrick
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:31:21 +1> From: franck.martin@gmail.com To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
I would suspect that Afilias running the technical part is also running the payment system, therefore collecting the money and sending the cheque to RDS-HN?
Is out there someone that could confirm if this is suspended also? Regards, Andrés Piazza LACRALO Chair
----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick@vande-walle.eu> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: "LAC DISCUSS" <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thursday, 1 October, 2009 12:24:08 AM GMT +12:00 Fiji Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres,
Glad to see I did not get it all wrong. With regard to teh registry services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility.
Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern.
Hope this clarifies it a bit.
Patrick
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On 30 Sep 2009, at 13:32, Andres Piazza wrote:
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:31:21 +1> From: franck.martin@gmail.com To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
I would suspect that Afilias running the technical part is also running the payment system, therefore collecting the money and sending the cheque to RDS-HN?
Is out there someone that could confirm if this is suspended also?
Dear Andres and all No service has been affected/suspended at our end. Best regards Desiree Miloshevic -- Advisor Intl Affairs & Policy Development Afilias Limited Suite 232 22 Notting Hill Gate London W11 3JE www.afilias.info
Regards,
Andrés Piazza LACRALO Chair
----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick@vande-walle.eu> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: "LAC DISCUSS" <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thursday, 1 October, 2009 12:24:08 AM GMT +12:00 Fiji Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres,
Glad to see I did not get it all wrong. With regard to teh registry services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility.
Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern.
Hope this clarifies it a bit.
Patrick
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Hi Desiree, glad to hear! Regards, Andrés
From: dmiloshevic@afilias.info To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 01:07:45 +0100 CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
On 30 Sep 2009, at 13:32, Andres Piazza wrote:
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:31:21 +1> From: franck.martin@gmail.com To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
I would suspect that Afilias running the technical part is also running the payment system, therefore collecting the money and sending the cheque to RDS-HN?
Is out there someone that could confirm if this is suspended also?
Dear Andres and all
No service has been affected/suspended at our end.
Best regards
Desiree Miloshevic -- Advisor Intl Affairs & Policy Development Afilias Limited Suite 232 22 Notting Hill Gate London W11 3JE www.afilias.info
Regards,
Andrés Piazza LACRALO Chair
----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick@vande-walle.eu> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: "LAC DISCUSS" <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thursday, 1 October, 2009 12:24:08 AM GMT +12:00 Fiji Subject: Re: [At-Large] cctld .hn issue
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:49:04 +0000, Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com> wrote:
I do see risks for the stability of the DNS. Altough I trust Afilias for doing the right job as the technical operator of the TLD, it remains that Afilias does not have a contract with Conatel, but with RDS-HN. What will happen if RDS-HN is unable to pay the bills is an issue. What will happen to the domain names registered under .hn is yet another.
I know they are a serious operator, and also the people from Afilias I know like Ken or Desiree are quite trustable. But I´m not 100% sure if we could, as ICANN At Large (or at least as LACRALO) "ask Afilias not to make a contract with Conatel".
Hello Andres,
Glad to see I did not get it all wrong. With regard to teh registry services, my concern is this: Afilias is performing a technical service to RDS-HN, which pays Afilias in return. If RDS-HN is no more able to collect registration fees, they will not be able to pay Afilias anymore, who might in turn stop performing the service, in effect making the .HN domain unreachable. This is all theoretical of course, because I am sure Afilias is aware of their responsibility and that there is some flexibility.
Whoever gets the redelegation of the .hn domain will need to run or subcontract the technical part. How this is handled during the transition period, if any, is a concern.
Hope this clarifies it a bit.
Patrick
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