Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013
Thanks Tijiani for the clarification. But I still think that we should have 3 different EoI, because if knowlege of at-large community is a general requirement to be a Board Member I can not imagine that all the current menmber of the borad have that backgraund, and for my point of view they do not have to have it. It is crazy to think that, so the actual documment for the 3 categories should be review. Maybe Olivier can add something that we are missing. My 2 cents José Arce 2013/12/2 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn>
Hi José,
Sorry for the late reply. In fact, the EoI is the duty of the BCEC, and this reply is a personal opinion.
You know, the requirements that you mentioned was in 3 categories:
· The requirements for the board members in the ICANN bylaws
· The requirements for a board member used by the NomCom
· And additional At-Large requirements
I think that what appeared as a contradiction for you is the result of the combination of the 3 categories.
It’s true that a board member is supposed to serve for the benefit of ICANN as a whole, and not as a representative of a certain stakeholder, but you don’t imagine ALAC appointing someone who doesn’t know anything of the end users’ concerns and interests. I think that it’s normal that the candidate should be well aware of the At-Large affairs. While selected, this Board member will act as an individual for the benefit of ICANN, but with his/her background and his knowledge of the At-Large community.
My 2 cents
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*Tijani BEN JEMAA*
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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*De :* José Francisco Arce [mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com] *Envoyé :* lundi 2 décembre 2013 11:48 *À :* ICANN At-Large Staff *Cc :* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Roberto Gaetano ( roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com); Tijani BEN JEMAA (tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn); Olivier Crépin-Leblond *Objet :* Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013
Dear Tijiani and Roberto,
Any comment about my email. I know that we are runing out of time now, but I really see contradictions in the text which may confuse candidates and applicants.
Kind Regards
José Arce
2013/11/27 José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com>
Dear all,
I read the document and have some questions:
1) Regarding the first paragraph: “*…member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework”.*
The last two times LACRALO talked about this issue, and the last was in Buenos Aires meeting, with Fatima´s question to Sébastien Bachollet, the answer was the same: Once the candidate is elect, is a Board member without identifying a group, and does not have to explain to the community that vote for him/her, but the entire community at large.
Even more the text included mentioned the requirement of background in Internet users' interests. Should this be a specific requirement? Or Should be only global requirements? And it seems there is a contradiction with the part: *What does an ICANN Board Director do? “ Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies;”*
If this is my confusion, requested the appropriate apologies.
2) I know it is controversial subject, but the third paragraph defined what is “At-large”, and I want to know if there is consensus about this.
I´ll appreciate a clarification
Kind regards
José Arce
2013/11/26 ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear All,
On behalf of Roberto Gaetano, Chair of the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC), please find attached the Call for Expressions of Interest for the Board Director selected by At-Large (in English, French and Spanish).
The document contains the link for the online application.
Applications will be accepted between 26 November and 26 December 2013 at 23:59 UTC.
The Board Director occupying Seat 15 will join the ICANN Board at the conclusion of 2014 ICANN Annual General Meeting, in October 2014.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto: staff@atlarge.icann.org%3cmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
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-- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
Dear José, I have been reading this thread with much interest. Regarding how a Board member has to act on the Board, it is true that a Board member needs to act in the best interests of ICANN when on the Board and is not there to relay the point of view of the community having appointed them. That said, a Board member selected by At-Large will hopefully have the same values as the At-Large Community. It is by reasoning using these same values, that the Board member will reflect the views which are held in our community. So there is no direct link between what the community decides and what the Board member selected by the community decides - only a cultural understanding of the community which lets the Board member make up their mind as to what is better for the Public Interest. I realise this is a hard subject, one which every Board member needs to think about. Do the categories for review need to be very precise and therefore include the requirement of the Board member knowing their community? I think that we need to trust the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee to make up its own mind. I also think that we need to trust the Electorate too. Let people make up their own mind and not be too prescriptive. That's just my own point of view. Kind regards, Olivier On 03/12/2013 12:12, José Francisco Arce wrote:
Thanks Tijiani for the clarification. But I still think that we should have 3 different EoI, because if knowlege of at-large community is a general requirement to be a Board Member I can not imagine that all the current menmber of the borad have that backgraund, and for my point of view they do not have to have it. It is crazy to think that, so the actual documment for the 3 categories should be review. Maybe Olivier can add something that we are missing.
My 2 cents
José Arce
2013/12/2 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn>>
Hi José,
Sorry for the late reply. In fact, the EoI is the duty of the BCEC, and this reply is a personal opinion.
You know, the requirements that you mentioned was in 3 categories:
· The requirements for the board members in the ICANN bylaws
· The requirements for a board member used by the NomCom
· And additional At-Large requirements
I think that what appeared as a contradiction for you is the result of the combination of the 3 categories.
It’s true that a board member is supposed to serve for the benefit of ICANN as a whole, and not as a representative of a certain stakeholder, but you don’t imagine ALAC appointing someone who doesn’t know anything of the end users’ concerns and interests. I think that it’s normal that the candidate should be well aware of the At-Large affairs. While selected, this Board member will act as an individual for the benefit of ICANN, but with his/her background and his knowledge of the At-Large community.
My 2 cents
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*Tijani BEN JEMAA*
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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*De :*José Francisco Arce [mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com <mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com>] *Envoyé :* lundi 2 décembre 2013 11:48 *À :* ICANN At-Large Staff *Cc :* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Roberto Gaetano (roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com <mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>); Tijani BEN JEMAA (tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn>); Olivier Crépin-Leblond *Objet :* Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013
Dear Tijiani and Roberto,
Any comment about my email. I know that we are runing out of time now, but I really see contradictions in the text which may confuse candidates and applicants.
Kind Regards
José Arce
2013/11/27 José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com <mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com>>
Dear all,
I read the document and have some questions:
1) Regarding the first paragraph: “/…member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework”./
The last two times LACRALO talked about this issue, and the last was in Buenos Aires meeting, with Fatima´s question to Sébastien Bachollet, the answer was the same: Once the candidate is elect, is a Board member without identifying a group, and does not have to explain to the community that vote for him/her, but the entire community at large.
Even more the text included mentioned the requirement of background in Internet users' interests. Should this be a specific requirement? Or Should be only global requirements? And it seems there is a contradiction with the part: /What does an ICANN Board Director do? “ Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies;”/
If this is my confusion, requested the appropriate apologies.
2) I know it is controversial subject, but the third paragraph defined what is “At-large”, and I want to know if there is consensus about this.
I´ll appreciate a clarification
Kind regards
José Arce
2013/11/26 ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
Dear All,
On behalf of Roberto Gaetano, Chair of the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC), please find attached the Call for Expressions of Interest for the Board Director selected by At-Large (in English, French and Spanish).
The document contains the link for the online application.
Applications will be accepted between 26 November and 26 December 2013 at 23:59 UTC.
The Board Director occupying Seat 15 will join the ICANN Board at the conclusion of 2014 ICANN Annual General Meeting, in October 2014.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>%3cmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:3cmailto%3Astaff@atlarge.icann.org>>>
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Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
-- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
Well reasoned. +1 -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:48 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>wrote:
Dear José,
I have been reading this thread with much interest.
Regarding how a Board member has to act on the Board, it is true that a Board member needs to act in the best interests of ICANN when on the Board and is not there to relay the point of view of the community having appointed them.
That said, a Board member selected by At-Large will hopefully have the same values as the At-Large Community. It is by reasoning using these same values, that the Board member will reflect the views which are held in our community. So there is no direct link between what the community decides and what the Board member selected by the community decides - only a cultural understanding of the community which lets the Board member make up their mind as to what is better for the Public Interest.
I realise this is a hard subject, one which every Board member needs to think about.
Do the categories for review need to be very precise and therefore include the requirement of the Board member knowing their community? I think that we need to trust the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee to make up its own mind. I also think that we need to trust the Electorate too. Let people make up their own mind and not be too prescriptive.
That's just my own point of view.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 03/12/2013 12:12, José Francisco Arce wrote:
Thanks Tijiani for the clarification. But I still think that we should have 3 different EoI, because if knowlege of at-large community is a general requirement to be a Board Member I can not imagine that all the current menmber of the borad have that backgraund, and for my point of view they do not have to have it. It is crazy to think that, so the actual documment for the 3 categories should be review. Maybe Olivier can add something that we are missing.
My 2 cents
José Arce
2013/12/2 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn>>
Hi José,
Sorry for the late reply. In fact, the EoI is the duty of the BCEC, and this reply is a personal opinion.
You know, the requirements that you mentioned was in 3 categories:
· The requirements for the board members in the ICANN bylaws
· The requirements for a board member used by the NomCom
· And additional At-Large requirements
I think that what appeared as a contradiction for you is the result of the combination of the 3 categories.
It’s true that a board member is supposed to serve for the benefit of ICANN as a whole, and not as a representative of a certain stakeholder, but you don’t imagine ALAC appointing someone who doesn’t know anything of the end users’ concerns and interests. I think that it’s normal that the candidate should be well aware of the At-Large affairs. While selected, this Board member will act as an individual for the benefit of ICANN, but with his/her background and his knowledge of the At-Large community.
My 2 cents
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Tijani BEN JEMAA*
Executive Director
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
Phone: + 216 41 649 605
Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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*De :*José Francisco Arce [mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com <mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com>] *Envoyé :* lundi 2 décembre 2013 11:48 *À :* ICANN At-Large Staff *Cc :* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Roberto Gaetano (roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com <mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>); Tijani BEN JEMAA (tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn>); Olivier Crépin-Leblond *Objet :* Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013
Dear Tijiani and Roberto,
Any comment about my email. I know that we are runing out of time now, but I really see contradictions in the text which may confuse candidates and applicants.
Kind Regards
José Arce
2013/11/27 José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com <mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com>>
Dear all,
I read the document and have some questions:
1) Regarding the first paragraph: “/…member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework”./
The last two times LACRALO talked about this issue, and the last was in Buenos Aires meeting, with Fatima´s question to Sébastien Bachollet, the answer was the same: Once the candidate is elect, is a Board member without identifying a group, and does not have to explain to the community that vote for him/her, but the entire community at large.
Even more the text included mentioned the requirement of background in Internet users' interests. Should this be a specific requirement? Or Should be only global requirements? And it seems there is a contradiction with the part: /What does an ICANN Board Director do? “ Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies;”/
If this is my confusion, requested the appropriate apologies.
2) I know it is controversial subject, but the third paragraph defined what is “At-large”, and I want to know if there is consensus about this.
I´ll appreciate a clarification
Kind regards
José Arce
2013/11/26 ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>
Dear All,
On behalf of Roberto Gaetano, Chair of the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC), please find attached the Call for Expressions of Interest for the Board Director selected by At-Large (in English, French and Spanish).
The document contains the link for the online application.
Applications will be accepted between 26 November and 26 December 2013 at 23:59 UTC.
The Board Director occupying Seat 15 will join the ICANN Board at the conclusion of 2014 ICANN Annual General Meeting, in October 2014.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:
staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org
<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>%
3cmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org
<mailto:3cmailto%3Astaff@atlarge.icann.org>>>
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-- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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Dear José, When the EoI (previously called SoI) was conceived for the first round by the ABSdt (I was one of the members), we designed the document for the Board director selected by ALAC (Seat 15) not for the general case. In fact we took the requirements used for the general case (ICANN Bylaws), we added the requirements used by NomCom to select a board director, and we then added the At-Large requirements. This document is not for the general case; its for the selection of the Board director selected by ALAC only. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- De : José Francisco Arce [mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com] Envoyé : mardi 3 décembre 2013 12:13 À : Tijani BEN JEMAA (tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn) Cc : ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO discussion list; Roberto Gaetano; Olivier Crépin-Leblond Objet : Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013 Thanks Tijiani for the clarification. But I still think that we should have 3 different EoI, because if knowlege of at-large community is a general requirement to be a Board Member I can not imagine that all the current menmber of the borad have that backgraund, and for my point of view they do not have to have it. It is crazy to think that, so the actual documment for the 3 categories should be review. Maybe Olivier can add something that we are missing. My 2 cents José Arce 2013/12/2 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn> Hi José, Sorry for the late reply. In fact, the EoI is the duty of the BCEC, and this reply is a personal opinion. You know, the requirements that you mentioned was in 3 categories: · The requirements for the board members in the ICANN bylaws · The requirements for a board member used by the NomCom · And additional At-Large requirements I think that what appeared as a contradiction for you is the result of the combination of the 3 categories. Its true that a board member is supposed to serve for the benefit of ICANN as a whole, and not as a representative of a certain stakeholder, but you dont imagine ALAC appointing someone who doesnt know anything of the end users concerns and interests. I think that its normal that the candidate should be well aware of the At-Large affairs. While selected, this Board member will act as an individual for the benefit of ICANN, but with his/her background and his knowledge of the At-Large community. My 2 cents ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: + 216 41 649 605 Mobile: + 216 98 330 114 Fax: + 216 70 853 376 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- De : José Francisco Arce [mailto:josefranciscoarce@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 2 décembre 2013 11:48 À : ICANN At-Large Staff Cc : lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Roberto Gaetano (roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com); Tijani BEN JEMAA (tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn); Olivier Crépin-Leblond Objet : Re: [lac-discuss-en] CALL FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST for the Board Director Selected by At-Large now open through 26 December 2013 Dear Tijiani and Roberto, Any comment about my email. I know that we are runing out of time now, but I really see contradictions in the text which may confuse candidates and applicants. Kind Regards José Arce 2013/11/27 José Francisco Arce <josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> Dear all, I read the document and have some questions: 1) Regarding the first paragraph: member must be able to reflect the users' point of view and interests in the debate and decision making undertaken within the ICANN framework. The last two times LACRALO talked about this issue, and the last was in Buenos Aires meeting, with Fatima´s question to Sébastien Bachollet, the answer was the same: Once the candidate is elect, is a Board member without identifying a group, and does not have to explain to the community that vote for him/her, but the entire community at large. Even more the text included mentioned the requirement of background in Internet users' interests. Should this be a specific requirement? Or Should be only global requirements? And it seems there is a contradiction with the part: What does an ICANN Board Director do? Serve as individuals who have the duty to act in what they reasonably believe are the best interests of ICANN and not as representatives of the entity that selected them, their employers or any other organizations or constituencies; If this is my confusion, requested the appropriate apologies. 2) I know it is controversial subject, but the third paragraph defined what is At-large, and I want to know if there is consensus about this. I´ll appreciate a clarification Kind regards José Arce 2013/11/26 ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear All, On behalf of Roberto Gaetano, Chair of the Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC), please find attached the Call for Expressions of Interest for the Board Director selected by At-Large (in English, French and Spanish). The document contains the link for the online application. Applications will be accepted between 26 November and 26 December 2013 at 23:59 UTC. The Board Director occupying Seat 15 will join the ICANN Board at the conclusion of 2014 ICANN Annual General Meeting, in October 2014. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Julia Charvolen ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge. icann.org%3cmailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:3cmailto%3Astaff@atlarge.icann.org> >> _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en -- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz -- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz -- Arce, José F. http://lnkd.in/bPdTThz
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