[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Reflections on the ELA standards and expectations Taskforce From: carlton.samuels@gmail.com Dear Alberto: It is always a challenge to write in Inglés for esta list. Not just Because the translation / interpretation is crappy. But Because Often we come from different perspectives. When I write, Please Understand it is for meaning, not feeling. I sense you are unhappy That I refer and use the example of the Proposed 'Apology as participation' rule in my arguments. I am relieved you are not disputing the fact. So maybe you feel I am blaming you for it Being Offered in the first place. Perish the thought! I use it as a metaphor. Because to my mind by suggesting it Merely to Communicated state of mind is. That is not esta construct surfaced and can not be a positive for the mind That delivered it. Here's what else. Policy development and advice are our Objectives.That Gradients incident truly my confidence That We have the tools we need to Suggest meaningful development and sound policy advice. And as you know, we That are all concerned the overall Struggles to Contribute LACRALO here. The translation May be faulty but it Appears You Might Have Been threatening 'expulsion' from fellowship for my opinions. I note esta drives to suppress criticism by contemplating censorship. So you know, I detest censorship in the same way I detest hypocrisy. You do have a role as Chair of LACRALO. I know it well, I drafted it. Do look at it again. Kindest regards, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 * Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround * ============================= 08/08/2015 19:02 GMT-05: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> :

Estimado Carlton, el tema de las disculpas había sido charlado alguna vez hace tiempo en alguna reunión de ALAC, y por eso estaba siendo tratado en LACRALO y quizás no habría que citarlo como una estupidez, sino como una colaboración. Se discutió y se quitó. Además, al momento que se planteó quitarlo, fue quitado. Pese a ello es la tercera vez que lo estás citando como ejemplo. Quizás la mejora del lenguaje en las reuniones y en las listas, sea otra herramienta valiosa para lograr mayor participación. El lenguaje inadecuado, o grosero o insultante, es una causal de alejamiento de los miembros. Saludos Alberto

-----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de carlton.samuels@gmail.com Enviado el: sábado, 8 de agosto de 2015 8:41 p. m. Para: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: LACRALO-EN <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce

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Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com

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El reto está ajustando las bases estructurales de la At-Large participación en ICANN y las percepciones de desempeño. Y eso será difícil, en el mejor.

Más al punto, no estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento innovador acerca métricas de rendimiento que haría lo que tú y yo vemos como el valor de venir a la cima.

Caso en punto. Tuvimos una situación reciente en LACRALO donde estaba seriamente propuso que si uno envía una disculpa por la falta de asistencia - * NOTA bien, puramente no asistir * - una reunión en línea, que deben ser contados como participación!

Y, algunos chico ignorante afirmaría delito si uno fuera a reflexivamente decir en voz alta que la noción expresada ofende incluso la idea de sentido común de lo que es estúpido.

-Carlton

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El Sábado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> escribió:

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Dear Alan,

agreed on all your other points.

On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote:

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3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with.

And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a relationship with people who do not make the effort to keep involved in between face to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify people who have a genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their involvement in face to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 years. So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available for developing nations. This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. For example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we know to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN Accountability - let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to impeccable accountability. etc.

Kind regards,

Olivier

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