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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = From: apisanty@gmail.com Carlton, I'll accept your last use of offensive language. Your next message with offensive language will be the subject of work of the Ombudsman. Your It leads to unacceptable vocabulary words in Spanish. The conflict of interest is not Lance your business own. The conflict lies in its business representation through Camera. Some of these businesses are structural conflcto with users because users are customers of their services. Jacqueline, the expression of interest was modified and expanded after start the election. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com
Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra.
Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.
Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO.
Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc.
El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown.
Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.
Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro.
-Carlton
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El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Alejandro: Message received at last! Communication is a helluva thing, isn't it? Happy you got the message. I assume you are being pious about my use of the word 'bullshit', no? If so, don't waste the man's time. Its the meaning intended that matters. Which is why I deliberately 'cut and pasted' the dictionary meaning straight from source for my original message. Here it is again: *Definitions of bullshit* *noun* *stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.* *verb* *talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.* Two steps ahead of you here. You should know by now the English language is my friend. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for Spanish. Closeout: So you know where I stand, please refer the private message I sent to you on another such allegation a couple years ago. Kindest regards, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:53 PM, <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = From: apisanty@gmail.com
Carlton,
I'll accept your last use of offensive language. Your next message with offensive language will be the subject of work of the Ombudsman. Your It leads to unacceptable vocabulary words in Spanish.
The conflict of interest is not Lance your business own. The conflict lies in its business representation through Camera. Some of these businesses are structural conflcto with users because users are customers of their services.
Jacqueline, the expression of interest was modified and expanded after start the election.
Alejandro Pisanty
On Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com
Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra.
Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.
Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO.
Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en
Devnet
como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc.
El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown.
Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.
Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro.
-Carlton
============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * =============================
El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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