[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Al 08.08.2015 18:36, Evan Leibovitch escribió:

El 8 de agosto de 2015 09:37, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond < <mailto:ocl@gih.com> ocl@gih.com> escribió:

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3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with.

And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who genuinely want to get involved.

So long as At-Large leadership is selected bottom-up by a reasonably democratic process, it will not always include the "hardest workers". Politics of various sorts can happen in any region, and it is not a stretch to say that "number of hours spent on ICANN in the past" can often be ​rended insignificant in an election campaign next to social skills, global geopolitics or other factors.

Somebody may be elected based on nothing more than a promise to vote a certain way on ALAC statements or to advance a very specific agenda on a narrow range of issues. How do you confront that without threatening the democratic process?

The easy answer is to ask ICANN for more travel spots as Olivier suggests, so that (as one possible example) working group chairs (which are usually in their posts by merit rather than politics because of the workload). Well, that's an easy answer for us -- to the rest of ICANN's constituencies, most of which already take At-Large to be a charity case, this will be a tough sell.

caer en todas las categorías, los que caen en Tahat categoría 3 sobre una base regular debe ser tratado con directamente, y los otros tenemos poco más remedio que aceptar. Al menos durante su primer término. Una de las preocupaciones más profundas y los que me he centrado en al contestar eran aquellos para los que apoyamos como representantes de ELA.

(Por otra parte, la ICANN podría si elige ayudar At-Large vistazo a la participación exterior Patrocinio - sin embargo, no está dispuesto o no, para hacerlo).

En fin ... cuando yo era más profundamente Involucrado en At-Large, me resistí e incluso Menospreciado los diversos intentos de empujar, prod, Medir y nos silo.La mayoría de estos esfuerzos Merecemos continuar el ridículo, porque ellos permanecen gran medida ejercicios mirarse el ombligo, que son más Eficaz en la distracción y el tiempo de la quema que cualquier otra cosa.

OMI, hay tres necesidades generales de At-Large: * How do we make ICANN and its dilemmas more accessible to the global public? * How can we best determine what is important to that public? * How can we best advance those priorities within ICANN without being marginalized?

para hacer que el ELA estructura / RALO, o reducir su visibilidad y su costo. Así las cosas, es a la vez caro (no necesariamente en dinero, sino en el tiempo y enfocar) y nos abre a una fuerte (y en ocasiones válida la crítica)

Todo lo que hacemos debe servir uno de los Necesidades. Esto significa responder con franqueza:

¿Quién tiene que hacer lo que en las reuniones F2F? (Maybe some of our most important travel is NOT to ICANN meetings?)

How are we engaging with the public outside ICANN? (If CROPP is as good as it gets let's not even bother)

What staff support do we need in research and communications? (Can we get stats and opinion polls to back our policy actions?)

How do we mobilize pubic opinion? (First, we get the public to care)

Wringing our collective hands over how to deal with laggards and tourists -- who happen to be popular enough to get elected -- pre-occupied ALAC before I got involved, and it continues to suck energy out of addressing the real reason the At-Large community even exists.

​Meanwhile, the other parts of ICANN that prefer At-Large weak and ineffectual, delight in our tail-chasing. ​ - Evan

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