I agree with Michael. One thing is to not object (which I believe has been our position); another thing is to accept and extend their principle (for variant definition) to our proposal. I don’t think it is the Latin GP’s job to do the latter.
Dennis
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Good afternoon, Michael,
If we were talking about just one or two cases where transitivity from the Greek GP's work changed things, I might agree. But in these cases, the substantial majority of cases are changed. Thus, it is just a matter
of changing one or two of ours, in order to achieve consistency.
As you say, we can talk about it when we get to that part of the discussion.
Bill
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:17 PM, Michael Bauland via Latingp
<latingp@icann.org> wrote:
Good morning Bill,
thank you very much for preparing all this and looking through the Greek
LGR.
On 23.06.2021 23:49, Bill Jouris via Latingp wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
>
> We agreed previously that, if the Greek GP had come up with some
> variants that we had not, we would accept them rather than argue the
> point. Reading thru the Greek LRG, it seems to me that there are a
> couple of issues we should discuss.
>
> First off, the Greek GP generally finds that a dot above, a grave
> accent, and an acute accent are variants. As a result, transitivity
> gives us variants for I, O, and U with dot above and acute (in addition
> to the cases of C, N, and Z with acute vs dot above) plus variants for
> acute and grave for various letters. The issue that I see is that there
> are a few Latin letters which are not included simply because the Greek
> alphabet has no variants from Latin for the base letter. But is teems
> to me that, as a matter of consistency, we ought to go back thru and
> make those cases variants as well.
I am not in favour of this. It's one thing to not object the Greek GP's
variants (even though personally I think they're going to far, but ok,
one can argue, it's their decision and they are responsible for it), but
we shouldn't introduce further variants on our own, just because some
other script caused variants in Latin.
Being consistent is very good if it's related to our own decision. It's
hard to explain if two very similar cases are handled differently by
ourselves. However, I see no need to make Latin variants consistent with
Greek decisions, if we do not agree with their decision (and merely
tolerate it). Having inconsistent variants that have been forced upon us
is fine.
But that's just my opinion. Let's talk about this later today.
> Second, the Greek GP finds the opposite from our finding when it comes
> to underlining. That is, most of the cases of letters with diacritics
> below they are, via transitivity, going to be variants of the letter
> without underlining. But perhaps (I haven’t gone thru all the cases
> yet) not all. Again, as a matter of consistency I think we need to take
> another look at that.
As above, I don't think we need to be consistent with Greek GP's
decisions, and I don't think we should be if that means introducing
further variants we do not think are variants.
Cheers,
Michael
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