And yet, in our previous work, we considered high visual similarity in a significant number of fonts in workmark to be sufficient cause to consider something a variant. 

So are you arguing for changing our criteria? 
 
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From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org>
To: "Michael.Bauland@knipp.de" <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Latingp] AE, OE, and Ligatures

Looking again at the visual evidence, I believe this is not a strong case for variants. But it may be a candidate for visual similarity.
 
From a visual standpoint I don’t see it as a clear-cut case. Doing a comparison of the code points "æ" "œ" using wordmark.it, the great majority of fonts show them very distinguishable (e.g. Arial: æ œ, Times: æ œ, Courier: æ œ, Calibri: æ œ).
 
From an orthography viewpoint, I don’t see good support, but of course, this is only one data point.
 
-Dennis
 
On 2/11/19, 9:16 AM, "Latingp on behalf of Michael Bauland" <latingp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote:
 
    Hi Bill,
   
    thanks for the summary.
   
    I agree with you if purely looking at the visual confusability issue.
    However, with ae vs. æ and oe vs. œ the issue is not about visual
    sameness, at least that's what the IP argued on our phone call. They
    said that in most languages ae and æ have the same meaning and could be
    exchanged. I can only talk for German, and there it might be ok to write
    ae instead of the ligature but certainly not the other way round. But to
    be honest, I personally never used such a word in German.
   
    Therefore the reason to make ae and its ligature variants would be
    purely semantic. And then we have a problem: how to decide which variant
    relation is stronger? If all are visual, it's (more or less) easy to
    decide which visual similarity is stronger, but there's no metric to
    compare visual and semantic similarities with each other.
   
    Cheers,
   
    Michael
   
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