From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>
Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>
Date: Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM
To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>
Cc: "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script

 

OK.  But I repeat, what is gained by not automatically rejecting a proposed TLD which differs from an existing one only by that one code point?  Is there ANYTHING gained?

>> I don’t think it is our job to replace an organization’s due diligence before applying for a TLD.

 

Not to mention, if you are correct, why didn't the IP members in Abu Dhabi just tell the Greek GP that they had got it wrong?  Why let them go forward without mentioning it?  I'm just not understanding why they would fail to make that point.

>> I don’t want to speculate as to their lack of comments. You would need to ask the IP members present during the session. I do know, that the Latin panel received input in writing as to what is expected from us.

 

Bill Jouris
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From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com>
To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>; Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>
Cc: "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script

 

Bill,

 

I think you are misunderstanding our mission and scope. The overarching scope is the Root Zone, this means Top Level Domains. These are not accepted every day, but in a very controlled manner. Processing a TLD request takes weeks, if not months before it is delegated. Mechanical and manual reviews are part of the process of accepting a new TLD into the Root Zone. The Latin LGR for the Root Zone is just one piece in the process, it’s not a one-stop shop.

 

If we were talking about rules for lower levels in the DNS I would agree with you that different rules are needed. But this is not the scope of our task.

 

-Dennis

 

From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>
Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>
Date: Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:06 AM
To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>
Cc: "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script

 

I guess I have a rather different view of the answer to the question: What is the real world issue that we are trying to address?

 

I do not think it is: "How do we exactly conform to the narrowest interpretation of the requirements, so as to allow the maximum number of registrations to start thru the process?"  Rather it is: "How do we make the Internet, specifically the process of registering new domain names and of correctly identifying a domain name, work as well as possible for the public?"

 

So anything which we KNOW will always end up rejected, and the schwa and turned e are a dramatic example, ought to be included among the variants.  Otherwise, when someone comes to register a new name, all they get is a delay while their submission gets a manual review. 

 

A name which differs only by that one character will ALWAYS get rejected -- and we all know it.  So what is gained, for anyone, by requiring it to go thru a manual process?  (OK, perhaps a company registering names can charge for each attempt that gets as far as the manual process.  But nobody else has anything that I can see.)

 

Bill Jouris
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bill.jouris@insidethestack.com
831-659-8360
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From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org>
To: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>; Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>
Cc: "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script

 

Mats,

 

The Root Zone LGR is not designed to pick up on those security and stability issues. That would be the concern of already established processes, such as the Similarity Review or DNS Security and Stability Review of applied-for TLDs.

 

-Dennis

 

 

On 1/5/18, 10:27 AM, "Mats Dufberg" <mats.dufberg@iis.se> wrote:

 

    In lower case, they are equal. My interpretation of "security" is that we must include some variant or contextual rules that prevent two TLDs only differing on those two code points.

   

    I do not think we should try to interpret what IP thinks. We should propose a solution we think is correct.

   

   

    Mats

   

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    -----Original Message-----

    From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com>

    Date: Friday 5 January 2018 at 16:13

    To: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>

    Subject: Re:  [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script

   

    Hi Michael,

   

    They are not the same character. They look alike in lower case, but are different in upper case (i.e. disunification by case property). The IP briefly discussed this case of 01DD and 0259 in their feedback to our Principles document and suggested that these two should not be variants. Hence my question about more evidence.

   

    -Dennis

   

    On 1/5/18, 10:10 AM, "Michael Bauland" <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote:

   

        Hi Dennis, hi Mats,

       

        On 05.01.2018 16:02, Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp wrote:

        > Thanks Mats.

        >

        > 

        >

        > A follow up question, is there evidence that these two code points are

        > used interchangeably in the languages the repertoire team analyzed? I

        > ask because the IP will ask for more evidence of a variant relationship

        > besides visual appearance. Per the Procedure “Generation Panels should

        > ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of

        > visual similarity”.

       

        I'm not sure we need additional evidence, because in this case it's not

        mere "visual similarity" but those two are actually the same. And I

        don't think we have another choice in the case of homoglyphs, but to

        make them variants. On the contrary, I think we had to argue if we

        wanted to not make them variants.

       

        Michael

       

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