Re: [Latingp] FW: IP response on Latin Repertoire 20180525
Dear Mirjana, dear colleagues, I reviewed the evidence on the use of Bavarian. I had not look at which characters are used within those publications. 0115 does not occur in those sources and from what I read on the Bavarian wikipedia no standard has emerged and there is a tendency to use the German orthographic repertoire. So my analysis is that Bavarian is used - also on the internet - but that any additional signs are only used for special purposes, such as scientific transliteration. I also was unable to find any substantial evidence for other language's use, so I would suggest removing 0115. Best, Meikal On 16. Aug 2018 at 19:45, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> wrote: Dear Meikal, Here are the links you provided for Bavarian “Anyhow breve occurs in Bavarian, and there are samples online, such as special editions of newspapers in local varieties: http://www.aichacher-zeitung.de/vorort/dialektwoche/ https://www.tz.de/thema/tz-auf-bairisch-ere108588/ “ Further on you can find your e-mail with responses to IP comments. Regards Mirjana *From: *Latin GP <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin < meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> *Date: *Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 14:13 *To: *Michael Bauland <michael.bauland@knipp.de> *Cc: *Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Latingp] IP response on Latin Repertoire 20180525 Dear colleagues, I agree with Michael's suggestion to remove EGIDS5 evidence, where there is other evidence. Where it is the only source for a code point we should provide specific evidence and sources for contemporary usage. I also added numerous comments to the two documents - I would have done it on an online version preferably, but to avoid version conflicts I added comments to the word files. Several comments of mine contain suggested action items. On the whole, IP's review leaves me with the impression, that we have to work again on the repertoire. Particularly the additional evidence required for African languages will require quite a bit of work, and it is unclear to me why - as a general rule - IP seems to have higher demands towards the supporting evidence for African languages versus other languages. Best, Meikal On 26 June 2018 at 22:02, Michael Bauland <michael.bauland@knipp.de> wrote: Hi all, I am a bit confused by the choice of comments from the IP regarding EGIDS 5 languages: * In some occasions (e.g., 0115, Bavarian (5)) they state that the languages should be removed from the refernce (sometimes with the result of eliminating the whole character) * In some occasions (e.g., 015D, Tswa (5)) they require additional comments for those languages. * In some occasions (e.g., 1E5B, Kabyle (5)) the languages are accepted without complaint from IP. I guess, according to our statement "Languages with EGIDS 5 may be included in special cases where there is additional evidence that it is in widespread use" we should alter our table as follows: * remove EGIDS 5 languages, if other at least two other references are available wiht higher score * keep EGIDS 5 languages, if there is one or no other reference available * add a comment to prove its widespread use for all remaining EGIDS 5 langauges Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear Meikal, On 17.08.2018 17:19, Meikal Mumin wrote:
Dear Mirjana,
dear colleagues,
I reviewed the evidence on the use of Bavarian. I had not look at which characters are used within those publications. 0115 does not occur in those sources and from what I read on the Bavarian wikipedia no standard has emerged and there is a tendency to use the German orthographic repertoire. So my analysis is that Bavarian is used - also on the internet - but that any additional signs are only used for special purposes, such as scientific transliteration. I also was unable to find any substantial evidence for other language's use, so I would suggest removing 0115.
I agree with you. I also talked with some people with active knowledge about the Bavarian language and they confirmed that the spelling is not really standardised and mostly the standard German letters are used for spelling. So, yes, we should remove 0115. Best regards, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp
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