Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana
Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? #yiv4415864568 #yiv4415864568 -- _filtered #yiv4415864568 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4415864568 {font-family:DengXian;panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} _filtered #yiv4415864568 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4415864568 {panose-1:2 1 6 0 3 1 1 1 1 1;} _filtered #yiv4415864568 {font-family:Roboto;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv4415864568 #yiv4415864568 p.yiv4415864568MsoNormal, #yiv4415864568 li.yiv4415864568MsoNormal, #yiv4415864568 div.yiv4415864568MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4415864568 a:link, #yiv4415864568 span.yiv4415864568MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4415864568 a:visited, #yiv4415864568 span.yiv4415864568MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4415864568 p.yiv4415864568msonormal0, #yiv4415864568 li.yiv4415864568msonormal0, #yiv4415864568 div.yiv4415864568msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4415864568 span.yiv4415864568EmailStyle18 {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4415864568 span.yiv4415864568EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv4415864568 .yiv4415864568MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4415864568 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv4415864568 div.yiv4415864568WordSection1 {}#yiv4415864568 Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear colleagues, sorry for the late response but I was away from the computer for some days. I have tried to make the necessary changes and I hope this satisfies everyones needs for answers, even if some questions may seem redundant and to have already been answered. This way I think we can keep changes by Dennis and make the letter and intent more clear. However I need the help of Dennis for the last point - I had left comments on some variants candidate pairs saying that we should discuss the differences with hand written forms, however I can't access those documents no more. Could you kindly share again access to that file and send a link so I could make the final amendments to the letter? Thanks Best wishes, Meikal On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 23:07, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> wrote:
Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe!
I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had.
I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected.
Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
------------------------------ *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> *To:* "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; " latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Mirjana,
I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience.
Thanks, Dennis
*From: *Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić < Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> *Date: *Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM *To: *Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Dear GP members,
We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible.
Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile.
Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels.
I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF...
My comment was
“I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.”
Regards Mirjana
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Dear all, in general I agree with Meikal's changes, which might serve as a compromise between Dennis' and Bill's views. I think it's better to add some more examples in order to clarify our problems. Nevertheless, I commented to remove some paragraphs, as those would distract the IP from the (in my point of view) important cases: upper case and handwritten letters are out of scope for us, and there is no use for us asking about them again. Best regards, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp
Dear Latin GP members, I have accepted all changes. Please look at the last version of the response. I also agree with Michael that upper case letters and handwritten characters are not in the scope of Latin GP, but as we have urgent need to move forward, I am proposing to send the letter as it is now. We need this answer as soon as possible, otherwise we cannot expect the answer to come on time for our Brussels meeting. Regards Mirjana On 9/18/18, 09:03, "Latingp on behalf of Michael Bauland" <latingp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote: Dear all, in general I agree with Meikal's changes, which might serve as a compromise between Dennis' and Bill's views. I think it's better to add some more examples in order to clarify our problems. Nevertheless, I commented to remove some paragraphs, as those would distract the IP from the (in my point of view) important cases: upper case and handwritten letters are out of scope for us, and there is no use for us asking about them again. Best regards, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear Bill, It is not clear what do you think. Which edits should not be accepted? Please be specific. Regards Mirjana From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 23:07 To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Hi Mirjana, My apologies, I see that I neglected to log in first, so my responses got posted as "Anonymous". I was referring specifically to Dennis' edits of Monday afternoon. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? #yiv8726244839 #yiv8726244839 -- _filtered #yiv8726244839 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8726244839 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8726244839 {panose-1:2 0 5 3 0 0 0 2 0 4;} _filtered #yiv8726244839 {font-family:HelveticaNeue;panose-1:2 0 5 3 0 0 0 2 0 4;} _filtered #yiv8726244839 {font-family:Roboto;panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}#yiv8726244839 #yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839MsoNormal, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839MsoNormal, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 a:link, #yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8726244839 a:visited, #yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal0, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal0, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal0, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal0, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msochpdefault, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msochpdefault, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msochpdefault {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839msohyperlink {}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839emailstyle18 {}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839emailstyle19 {}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal1, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal1, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal1 {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal2, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal2, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal2 {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839msohyperlink1 {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal01, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal01, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal01 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msonormal02, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msonormal02, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msonormal02 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839emailstyle181 {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839emailstyle191 {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 p.yiv8726244839msochpdefault1, #yiv8726244839 li.yiv8726244839msochpdefault1, #yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839msochpdefault1 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 span.yiv8726244839EmailStyle34 {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8726244839 .yiv8726244839MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8726244839 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv8726244839 div.yiv8726244839WordSection1 {}#yiv8726244839 Dear Bill, It is not clear what do you think. Which edits should not be accepted? Please be specific. Regards Mirjana From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 23:07 To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From:Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dennis, I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by youb) substituted very different wording I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful. 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If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From:Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From:Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
I need to amend your story line below, for the record …. From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 12:54 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dennis, I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked on Sep 9 to finalize comments made by Meikal, Dennis and Bill. - Mirjana asked (again) that we have final comment by Monday 17 (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you Dennis and Meikal made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you (for the record, this is not accurate, please review version history) b) substituted very different wording I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> To: "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear colleagues, I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN. Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana, except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.) Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> wrote:
Dennis,
I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm.
However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you b) substituted very different wording
I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful.
Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
------------------------------ *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> *To:* "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; " Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" < latingp@icann.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else.
I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner.
-Dennis
*From: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> *Reply-To: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM *To: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe!
I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had.
I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected.
Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
------------------------------ *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> *To:* "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; " latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Mirjana,
I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience.
Thanks, Dennis
*From: *Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić < Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> *Date: *Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM *To: *Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Dear GP members,
We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible.
Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile.
Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels.
I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF...
My comment was
“I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.”
Regards Mirjana
_______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
_______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear colleagues, I have completed my amendments and additions to the letter, and would like to suggest to submit it with additonal formatting and spell-checking only. If any questions in there are redundant or repetitve, I don't think it is any real issue. Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 19:53, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN.
Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana, except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.)
Best wishes,
Meikal
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> wrote:
Dennis,
I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm.
However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you b) substituted very different wording
I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful.
Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
------------------------------ *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> *To:* "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" < latingp@icann.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else.
I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner.
-Dennis
*From: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> *Reply-To: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM *To: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, " Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" < latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe!
I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had.
I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected.
Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
------------------------------ *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> *To:* "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; " latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Mirjana,
I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience.
Thanks, Dennis
*From: *Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić < Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> *Date: *Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM *To: *Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
Dear GP members,
We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible.
Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile.
Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels.
I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF...
My comment was
“I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.”
Regards Mirjana
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I spotted one typo (fixed now). Other than that, I’m good with the latest draft. Thank you. From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear colleagues, I have completed my amendments and additions to the letter, and would like to suggest to submit it with additonal formatting and spell-checking only. If any questions in there are redundant or repetitve, I don't think it is any real issue. Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 19:53, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de<mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN. Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana, except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.) Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> wrote: Dennis, I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you b) substituted very different wording I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> To: "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>>; "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>; "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>, "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>; "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org<mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Dear colleagues, I was probably not involved enough in the creation of the response document, but taking a look at the final version now I’m a little bit confused. IP was asking about our opinion about diacritics below as a security risk and considering letters with diacritics below as variants, but the reply document contains many parts about principles we used to define variants in general not relevant to the case IP was asking about. Another opinion: Why should letters with diacritics below considered a security risk when in a link, while hyperlinks in general can be misleading to general users, where I doubt that a casual user is checking the URL a link is pointing to (in the status bar) before clicking on it. I think this could lead to the same security risk of diacritics but are not considered because they are out of the scope of the GP. Examples would be: Click here to reach the page. Visit our page at www.icann.org May be I’m missing some of the discussions, but that’s just some thoughts that came to my mind. Regards, Hazem Hezzah From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:42 PM To: meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de ; latingp@icann.org Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? I spotted one typo (fixed now). Other than that, I’m good with the latest draft. Thank you. From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear colleagues, I have completed my amendments and additions to the letter, and would like to suggest to submit it with additonal formatting and spell-checking only. If any questions in there are redundant or repetitve, I don't think it is any real issue. Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 19:53, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> wrote: Dear colleagues, I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN. Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana, except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.) Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> wrote: Dennis, I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you b) substituted very different wording I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> To: "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>; "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>; "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
Hazem, The letter has two purposes: 1) Acknowledge the receipt of the August 29 email and confirm that our panel will review the case as requested by IP, and 2) Seek clarification regarding some statements in the Aug 29 email that seem to contradict earlier guidance received by IP. -Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Hazem Hezzah <hhezzah.las@gmail.com> Organization: LAS Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 4:58 PM To: "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear colleagues, I was probably not involved enough in the creation of the response document, but taking a look at the final version now I’m a little bit confused. IP was asking about our opinion about diacritics below as a security risk and considering letters with diacritics below as variants, but the reply document contains many parts about principles we used to define variants in general not relevant to the case IP was asking about. Another opinion: Why should letters with diacritics below considered a security risk when in a link, while hyperlinks in general can be misleading to general users, where I doubt that a casual user is checking the URL a link is pointing to (in the status bar) before clicking on it. I think this could lead to the same security risk of diacritics but are not considered because they are out of the scope of the GP. Examples would be: Click here<http://www.icamm.org> to reach the page. Visit our page at www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org> May be I’m missing some of the discussions, but that’s just some thoughts that came to my mind. Regards, Hazem Hezzah From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp<mailto:latingp@icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:42 PM To: meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de<mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> ; latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? I spotted one typo (fixed now). Other than that, I’m good with the latest draft. Thank you. From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear colleagues, I have completed my amendments and additions to the letter, and would like to suggest to submit it with additonal formatting and spell-checking only. If any questions in there are redundant or repetitve, I don't think it is any real issue. Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 19:53, Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de<mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de>> wrote: Dear colleagues, I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN. Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana, except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.) Best wishes, Meikal On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> wrote: Dennis, I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. However, consider the following: - You crafted the initial page of the document. - Others of us added additional pages. This was the first week of September. - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which a) deleted everything not written by you b) substituted very different wording I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> To: "bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>" <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>>; "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>; "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone else. I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional manner. -Dennis From: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Reply-To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>> Date: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>, "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say something which would conflict with your preferred view! I am in awe! I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine. Not perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had. I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected. Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct) ________________________________ From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> To: "Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>" <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>>; "latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>" <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Mirjana, I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending comments. Please review at your convenience. Thanks, Dennis From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org<mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>> Date: Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM To: Latin GP <latingp@icann.org<mailto:latingp@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk? Dear GP members, We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible. Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile. Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F meeting in Brussels. I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented it in the document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIF... My comment was “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.” Regards Mirjana _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org<mailto:Latingp@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp
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Tan Tanaka, Dennis