Dear Hadia, Thank you for your comments they are noted.
This is a testing, 
Because I received 2 copies of Hadia's  same email which I think it must not be the case, because the MEAC-SWG list take care of the redundancy. @Hadia, did you get 2 copies of this as well?

Nadira

  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:06 AM 'Hadia El Miniawi' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear Nadira,

you mention "Regarding the use of 'efficiency' that I tried to use earlier, Tijani did explain that it wasn't about the efficiency but about the tightness of requirements."

I was not the one that added the word efficient (you can see my edits in green), it was there from before. I put "resulted in no applicants being supported" instead of "didn’t permit to support any applicant."

"Also on the use of "preconceptions" because it wasn't the case, it was a matter of an enflunce on the JAS set criteria."

you mention in the original statement "pressure of those who continuously argue that  a more flexible eligibility criteria will lead that the ASP will be gamed by applicants not in need of support" that means that there was a predetermined idea that the ASP could be captured, that is "preconception" was the case, whether this was through pressure or consensus, does it really matter?

I would also suggest proposing examples of a less tighter criteria as we argue that the tough selection criteria was one of the reasons of the failure of the program in the first round, what do you think? finally I would like to thank you, Tijani, Zakir and all the others for making this statement possible.

kindest Regards
Hadia

On Thursday, October 4, 2018, 4:24:42 AM GMT+2, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Hadia for alll your edits and comments that we will work on responding, accepte or decline the edits.

Regarding the use of 'efficiency' that I tried to use earlier, Tijani did explain that it wasn't about the efficiency but about the tightness of requirements.

Also on the use of "preconceptions" because it wasn't the case, it was a matter of an enflunce on the JAS set criteria.


On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 02:04 Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Nadira, Tijani and all,

I made a lot of edits to the google document (but i did not change the intended meaning), and put a couple of comments

I also suggest the following wording for the two paragraphs that raised concerns among some of the group

"We are aware of the failure of the Applicant Support Program (ASP) for the 2012 round that wasn’t efficient and resulted in no applicants being supported.
We also understand that one of the reasons of the failure was the tough eligibility criteria developed by the Joint Applicant Support (JAS) working group under the preconception that  a more flexible eligibility criteria will lead to the ASP being gamed by applicants not in need of support."

Thank you for developing this statement and waiting for your comments


Hadia



On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 7:30:31 PM GMT+2, 'khatib hanan' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Many thanks Tjani,  then can we change the paragraph to be ? 

"We are aware of the failure of the Applicant Support Program (ASP) for the 2012 round that wasn’t efficient and didn’t permit to support any applicant. We also understand that it failed because the too tough eligibility criteria developed by the community through its working group -the Joint Applicant Support (JAS)- were too tough under the pressure of those who always frighten them us that the program will be gamed by applicants who are not in need of assistance if the JAS we put flexible criteria."


Hanan Khatib 

IT consultant 


On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 3:39 PM khatib hanan <hkhatib2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
should be  >? 

Dear Tijani,


Thanks to you and Nadira and all who worked on this draft,   however I have a questions : 
 what do you mean by this statement  : 

"We are aware of the failure of the Applicant Support Program (ASP) for the 2012 round that wasn’t efficient and didn’t permit to support any applicant. We also understand that it failed because the too tough eligibility criteria developed by the community were too tough under the pressure of those who always frighten us that the program will be gamed if we put flexible criteria."

  1. what community that put the tough eligibility criteria? and why?
  2. who us and who frighten us (you) ? why the program will be gamed? and who will put the criteria,
  3. should mention it here ?


I am Confused! I hope you can clarify for me...

Thank very much


Hanan Khatib


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On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 7:39 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:

Thank you Hanan for your questions.
  1. who is the committee that put the tough eligibility criteria? and why?
  2. who is us and who frighten us (you) ? why the program will be gamed? and who will put the criteria.
  3. Should it be mention in this document if so, I think we need to clarity it?
For the 2012 round, a large part of the community were continuously complaining about the amount of the application fees ($185 000), and argued that the new gTLD program won’t be accessible to underserved regions and disadvantaged communities. After several months of loud complaint, the ICANN Board decided that the community form a working group to address a support program to help applicants who need assistance for applying for and operating a new gTLD. This WG (Joint Applicant Support « JAS ») designed the whole Applicant Support Program ‘ASP) including the tough criteria we spoke about in the statement. I was member of this WG.
The WG put such criteria because some members were always warning us that the ASP will be gamed by those who are not in need of assistance who may have access to support if the criteria are flexible.

I hope I answered you questions.

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Le 27 sept. 2018 à 14:00, khatib hanan <hkhatib2000@yahoo.com> a écrit :


Dear Tijani,


Thanks to you and Nadira and to all who contributed  bring this document out.  however I have some questions : 
 what do you mean by this statement  : 

"We are aware of the failure of the Applicant Support Program (ASP) for the 2012 round that wasn’t efficient and didn’t permit to support any applicant. We also understand that it failed because the too tough eligibility criteria developed by the community were too tough under the pressure of those who always frighten us that the program will be gamed if we put flexible criteria."

  1. who is the committee that put the tough eligibility criteria? and why?
  2. who is us and who frighten us (you) ? why the program will be gamed? and who will put the criteria.
  3. Should it be mention in this document if so, I think we need to clarity it ?


I am Confused! I hope you can clarify for me...

Thank very much

Best Regards

Hanan Khatib

IT Consultant 


 


On Wednesday, September 26, 2018, 11:15:32 AM GMT+3, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Zakir,
In the following link you can find the statement and  all are welcome to comment either on this thread or in the document itself. 
If you are providing comments in the Google Doc, please start it with your name. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hz_brkSh8YdQmlXJkFbgtYYxZ4QkjMurwslwyu7hPY0/edit?usp=sharing
Best,
Nadira


On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:59 AM 'Zakir Syed' via MEAC SWG <icann-meac-swg@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thank you Tijani,

Do we have a google doc version? Actually it would be easy to comment and provide feedback there and thn to organize.

Best,

Zakir


On Tuesday, September 25, 2018, 3:54:26 PM GMT+5, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> wrote:


Dear all,

Please find attached the first draft of the ME Statement for ICANN 63 that was developed by Nadira and myself.
Please provide your comments before 3 October 2018 at 23:59 UTC

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Le 4 sept. 2018 à 19:54, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn> a écrit :


Dear all,
As we did for ICANN 60 and ICANN 61, we are planning to organize a ME Space at ICANN 63.
Can you please provide your preferred topic to be addressed by the ME Space in Barcelona? I think we have several choices since we are now commenting on the preliminary report of the new gTLD subsequent procedures PDP working group (open round or consecutive rounds, Universal acceptance, Application fees, Applicant support, Community applications, etc…). We have also the Geographic names.
Also, we have the EPDP working now and we may decide to provide our opinion as a region on several parts to the EPDP (data collection, processing, transfer, retention, and access to non public data). So we have a very large range of topics that we can choose to address.

Please give your preference by Monday 10 September 23:59 UTC.
This the timeline:
04 - 10 September: Call for topics
11 September:        Announcement of the selected Topic
11 - 15 September: Call for drafting team members
16 September:        Announcement of the drafting team and starting of drafting the statement
26 September         1st draft of the statement published & Opening of the comment period
03 October:             Closing of the comment period
04 - 08 October:      Drafting of the final version
09 October:             Final draft published   

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