Hi all, As Nadira has rightly mentioned, it is rather wise not to open up this for discussion and just stick to "Middle East" with ICANN's own definition as our guide. Sincerely, Walid On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 5:35 PM Fahd Batayneh <fahd.batayneh@icann.org> wrote:

Dear All,

Just to note that the region “*Middle East*” does not have an agreed upon definition by any institute or organization. There are different definitions that include a different set of countries.

For ICANN, the definition of “*Middle East*” as per our engagement within the Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) Team includes the 22 Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The mentioned 26 countries were included as part of the “*Middle East*” we cover due to geographical, linguistic, and cultural reasons.

Unless there is a strong reason to do otherwise, I’d suggest we stick to the term “*Middle East*” to reflect the 26 countries mentioned earlier.

Thank you,

Fahd

*From: *Middle-East <middle-east-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> *Date: *Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:10 PM *To: *Hadia El Miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> *Cc: *"middle-east@icann.org" <middle-east@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment : MEAC or ME Space??

Dear Hadia and Foad,

Here what I have replied on the thread with some editing and addition.

The "ME Space" was approved by Baher and Fahd and the MEAC-SWG since the inception of ME Space.

The reasoning that MEAC term is not being used to describe ICANN geographical subregion. Hence when ME Space sessions are scheduled in ICANN meeting it has to go per the common name.

This issue of MEAC was debated in length at the MEAC-SWG but this discussion lead no where. (MEAC-SWG emails are publicly available and you can search through it. Given the fact that some members objected on the use of MEAC).

Hence, I shall be careful of starting this discussion here and leaving the name as ME Space as the status quo.

Best wishes

Nadira

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 15:20 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

Dear All,

One issue that Foad puts forward on the google document and I think is worth discussing on the list is whether it should be the ME Space or the MEAC Space, some of the contributors to the document are from the wider ME east – the MEAC region.

So my question to the list should it be the MEAC Space or the ME Space and why?

Thanks

Hadia

*From:* Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:12 PM *To:* Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi *Subject:* Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Thank you Hadia

I provided some replies to Fouad,

you can follow with them as well.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:10 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

It is resolved, I do have ownership

*From:* Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi *Sent:* Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:05 PM *To:* 'Nadira Alaraj' *Cc:* Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com *Subject:* RE: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Thank you

Hadia

*From:* Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:04 PM *To:* Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi *Cc:* Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com *Subject:* Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Dear Hadia,

I thought you have created a new document.

Let me check the Google document and see how to give you the ownership.

Best wishes

Nadira

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 14:37 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi < Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

Thank you Tijani for your updates. It is better that you put the edits on the word document as I do not have the right to accept on the google document. Zakir has made some edits that I was going to add to the original, but could not accept through the google document.

Kind regards

Hadia

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Dear Hadia and all,

First of all, I would like to thank Hadia for this excellent draft. I have some inputs that I want to provide (see the file).

I used the red color for text that I propose to remove, blue for text I propose to add and Green for my comment.

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Technically, the terms “near-east”, “middle-east” and “far-east” are artifacts from colonial days, aren’t they? Not that this is necessarily relevant to our current discussion on which countries qualify as middle-eastern, and which do not, but just thought I’d offer the thought. :-) Thanks. Amr

On Oct 8, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

Thank you Fahd for your reply and your clarification. As per the definition that you included I believe that the name is inclusive and therefore there is no need for further considerations.

Best

Hadia

From: Middle-East [mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Fahd Batayneh Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:35 PM To: Middle East ICANN Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment : MEAC or ME Space??

Dear All,

Just to note that the region “Middle East” does not have an agreed upon definition by any institute or organization. There are different definitions that include a different set of countries.

For ICANN, the definition of “Middle East” as per our engagement within the Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) Team includes the 22 Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The mentioned 26 countries were included as part of the “Middle East” we cover due to geographical, linguistic, and cultural reasons.

Unless there is a strong reason to do otherwise, I’d suggest we stick to the term “Middle East” to reflect the 26 countries mentioned earlier.

Thank you,

Fahd

From: Middle-East <middle-east-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:10 PM To: Hadia El Miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> Cc: "middle-east@icann.org" <middle-east@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment : MEAC or ME Space??

Dear Hadia and Foad,

Here what I have replied on the thread with some editing and addition.

The "ME Space" was approved by Baher and Fahd and the MEAC-SWG since the inception of ME Space.

The reasoning that MEAC term is not being used to describe ICANN geographical subregion. Hence when ME Space sessions are scheduled in ICANN meeting it has to go per the common name.

This issue of MEAC was debated in length at the MEAC-SWG but this discussion lead no where. (MEAC-SWG emails are publicly available and you can search through it. Given the fact that some members objected on the use of MEAC).

Hence, I shall be careful of starting this discussion here and leaving the name as ME Space as the status quo.

Best wishes

Nadira

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 15:20 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

...

Dear All,

One issue that Foad puts forward on the google document and I think is worth discussing on the list is whether it should be the ME Space or the MEAC Space, some of the contributors to the document are from the wider ME east – the MEAC region.

So my question to the list should it be the MEAC Space or the ME Space and why?

Thanks

Hadia

From: Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:12 PM To: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Thank you Hadia

I provided some replies to Fouad,

you can follow with them as well.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:10 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

...

It is resolved, I do have ownership

From: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Nadira Alaraj' Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Thank you

Hadia

From: Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:04 PM To: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Dear Hadia,

I thought you have created a new document.

Let me check the Google document and see how to give you the ownership.

Best wishes

Nadira

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 14:37 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> wrote:

...

Thank you Tijani for your updates. It is better that you put the edits on the word document as I do not have the right to accept on the google document. Zakir has made some edits that I was going to add to the original, but could not accept through the google document.

Kind regards

Hadia

From: Middle-East [mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 1:33 PM To: middle-east@icann.org; middle-east@icann.org; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com;nadira.araj@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment

Dear Hadia and all,

First of all, I would like to thank Hadia for this excellent draft. I have some inputs that I want to provide (see the file).

I used the red color for text that I propose to remove, blue for text I propose to add and Green for my comment.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tijani BENJEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Telephone: +216 52 385 114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps it’s also worth noting that when the term “MEAC” was suggested few years ago, it was suggested in the context of the regional strategy, and thus the name of the regional strategy working group was updated to reflect that. However, the name of the region has remained unchanged as Middle East, and since the Space related to the region, it was called the Middle East Space. I too believe that there is no need for further considerations on this. Best Baher On 10/8/19, 6:05 PM, "Middle-East on behalf of Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi" <middle-east-bounces@icann.org<mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Hadia@tra.gov.eg<mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg>> wrote: Thank you Fahd for your reply and your clarification. As per the definition that you included I believe that the name is inclusive and therefore there is no need for further considerations. Best Hadia From: Middle-East [mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Fahd Batayneh Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 5:35 PM To: Middle East ICANN Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment : MEAC or ME Space?? Dear All, Just to note that the region “Middle East” does not have an agreed upon definition by any institute or organization. There are different definitions that include a different set of countries. For ICANN, the definition of “Middle East” as per our engagement within the Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) Team includes the 22 Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The mentioned 26 countries were included as part of the “Middle East” we cover due to geographical, linguistic, and cultural reasons. Unless there is a strong reason to do otherwise, I’d suggest we stick to the term “Middle East” to reflect the 26 countries mentioned earlier. Thank you, Fahd From: Middle-East <middle-east-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:10 PM To: Hadia El Miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> Cc: "middle-east@icann.org" <middle-east@icann.org> Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment : MEAC or ME Space?? Dear Hadia and Foad, Here what I have replied on the thread with some editing and addition. The "ME Space" was approved by Baher and Fahd and the MEAC-SWG since the inception of ME Space. The reasoning that MEAC term is not being used to describe ICANN geographical subregion. Hence when ME Space sessions are scheduled in ICANN meeting it has to go per the common name. This issue of MEAC was debated in length at the MEAC-SWG but this discussion lead no where. (MEAC-SWG emails are publicly available and you can search through it. Given the fact that some members objected on the use of MEAC). Hence, I shall be careful of starting this discussion here and leaving the name as ME Space as the status quo. Best wishes Nadira On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 15:20 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg<mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg>> wrote: Dear All, One issue that Foad puts forward on the google document and I think is worth discussing on the list is whether it should be the ME Space or the MEAC Space, some of the contributors to the document are from the wider ME east – the MEAC region. So my question to the list should it be the MEAC Space or the ME Space and why? Thanks Hadia From: Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com<mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com>] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:12 PM To: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment Thank you Hadia I provided some replies to Fouad, you can follow with them as well. On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:10 PM Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg<mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg>> wrote: It is resolved, I do have ownership From: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Nadira Alaraj' Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org<mailto:middle-east@icann.org>; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com<mailto:hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment Thank you Hadia From: Nadira Alaraj [mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com<mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com>] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 2:04 PM To: Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Cc: Tijani BENJEMAA; middle-east@icann.org<mailto:middle-east@icann.org>; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com<mailto:hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment Dear Hadia, I thought you have created a new document. Let me check the Google document and see how to give you the ownership. Best wishes Nadira On Tue, Oct 8, 2019, 14:37 Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg<mailto:Hadia@tra.gov.eg>> wrote: Thank you Tijani for your updates. It is better that you put the edits on the word document as I do not have the right to accept on the google document. Zakir has made some edits that I was going to add to the original, but could not accept through the google document. Kind regards Hadia From: Middle-East [mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org<mailto:middle-east-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 1:33 PM To: middle-east@icann.org<mailto:middle-east@icann.org>; middle-east@icann.org<mailto:middle-east@icann.org>; hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com<mailto:hadiaminiawi@yahoo.com>; nadira.araj@gmail.com<mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ME ICANN] Montreal ME Space statement first draft for your comment Dear Hadia and all, First of all, I would like to thank Hadia for this excellent draft. I have some inputs that I want to provide (see the file). I used the red color for text that I propose to remove, blue for text I propose to add and Green for my comment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tijani BENJEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Telephone: +216 52 385 114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------