Danny:

The candidate you proposed was indeed considered, but did not make the short list. that was not a personal decision of mine, but of the NA ALAC representatives.

Informal consultations - due diligence you could call it - took place to assess the candidates being proposed, and if they would be well suited and able to strategically represent users from not only Canada and the USA, but users "everywhere" on the nomcom.

Your statement that no consultation was done with those on NA RALO, is in fact wrong.  Consultations were done with key people active on the NA list as well as those in ICANN. Consultations were done  done privately on a one -to-one basis.

I will keep the sources confidential, - they can speak out if they wish - but suffice it to say that your  candidate, well - got very mixed reviews, in fact some quite negative. Those who got far more  favorable reviews -  ended up on the short list.

As i've mentioned now several times, my person view is that the NA Nomcom candidate that - was elected by a large majority of ALAC members - will be able to well and strategically represent the views from the ALAC on the nomcom. The person in is well known to civil society working in ICANN as a person we can work with, and who has integrity. We will be well served. He has another "hat" - as do many of us as well. So i don't see that as an issue in the least.


Indeed this whole discussion reminds me on an  ongoing discussion in Canada related to elections canada's stance on allowing veiled women to vote . 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/10/elections-veils.html

It's not for the administrator to settle the current societal debate. If I were to do so, I would assume the role that does not belong to me, and above all, usurp the role of Canada's elected politicians."

Currently, I do not believe criteria  exists as to who can or can not be a candidate for ALAC to select as its nomcom representatives. If you want that changed - please, by all means do suggest that ALS's and ALAC change the rules.  

In summary - Hey, i didn't support your candidate. I have that right. Due process was followed, and a good, honest and very strategic candidate from Canada was duly elected.  Please, respect the decision . If you feel the process could have been better - please, be constructive and suggest changes so that we can improve things going forward. 
    

In the meantime, decision has taken place.. let's move forward.. Let's work with Ross, and take up his offer to speak with him on a teleconference. He's keen to hear from the NA RALO, and in fact ALAC as a whole on how he can best represent us. As he shouldn't hold him to a higher standard - let's also arrange consultations with the other ALAC nomcom reps . After all if they are supposed to be our representatives, let's make sure they stay in touch and consult with us. 

regards

Robert









On 29-Sep-07, at 2:16 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Robert,

Bottom line:  You removed a duly nominated candidate
that was duly confirmed from the voting roster, a
candidate with seven years experience within ICANN
defending the public interest, a candidate that
properly submitted his credentials for consideration,
and the only confirmed candidate that hailed from the
United States... all without any consultation with
members of the NARALO discuss list, and without member
consent for such action.

You also introduced a candidate from the supplier
community surreptitiously without any consultation
with the membership.  In my view, your actions
demonstrate that you are not fit for holding office.

regards,
Danny


--- Robert Guerra <lists@PRIVATERRA.INFO> wrote:

I've been away for the last few days and am only now
catching up on  
this list's email...

It seems some questions have been raised as to the
process by which  
the NA ALAC , and in fact ALAC as a whole selected
the nomcom  
candidate from the NA region.

First,let me describe the process -

The NA ALAC reps held  two teleconferences where we
discussed the  
Nomcom candidates. Beau, Alan and I spent
considerable time  
discussing the i\, the candidates and additional
persons we might  
want to consider

The candidate pool came from names proposed on the
NA list, as well  
as persons suggested by the NA Regional reps. The
breakdown was thus  
- one person proposed from the NA list, and 5
persons suggested from  
the ALAC reps. Of the 6 persons, one candidate was
removed as they  
had been elected board liason. the rest were
contacted to confirm  
that indeed they would be willing and able to serve
the term. Three  
confirmed there were interested, willing and able to
represent ALAC  
on nomcom. two top candidates were identified and a
discussion took  
place to see if a consensus candidate could be
chosen. This was not  
the case, as such the two were submitted to the ALAC
for them to vote  
on.

Key facts:

- the two proposed candidates both were supported by
more then one  
ALAC rep
- The consensus view that developed was that a
candidate should be  
well familiar with icann and/or able to learn about 
it's politics  
and issues, and ability to represent the user
voice/view were key  
factors needed in a candidate.


My personal choice was Ross, as i'm quite familiar
with his work with  
the user community in Canada and his involvement in
CIRA. It is his  
proven track record to be able to represent users on
the CIRA board  
as well as his support for NCUC and ALAC view that
led to me voting  
for him. In summary, I voted based on  a track
record in engaging  
users and the user community (in canada) as well as
a very good  
understand of ICANN, it's politics and nomcom.

Using the recently approved voting rules adopted by
the ALAC,   
candidates proposed from the regions where a
consensus was not  
possible were considered by the ALAC. A one week
open voting & period  
was opened  - where opinions were expressed by ALAC
members on  
candidates, and voting took place.Voting closed a
particular day,  
after which the results were announced.

The existing icann bylaws state that ALAC should
appoint candidates -  
and that was done. Though not specifically mentioned
, consulation  
also tool place - and considerable time, and effort
was taken to  
review candidates and elect one that fit the
criteria developed.

Ross, in my opinion - despite what some critics
might say - has the  
knowledge and ability, integrity and ability  to
represent ALAC and  
users interests well  on the nomcom. I believe that
he will serve  
alac well  .

Secondly, let me say that constant critiquing ALAC
reps is not  
constructive at all. Personally, I have tried to
bring values of  
consultation and dialogue between those in the NA
ALS, ALAC members  
and other key constituencies such as NCUC, SSAC and
many others . I  
see there is great value in  collaboration - one
that can serve to  
bring a stronger voice to users and civil society
inside the complex  
and very political structure that is ICANN.



In summary -  Key appointments and nominations need
to be strategic  
and constructive. I believe that the two candidates
proposed were  
good, and that the better qualified and most
knowledgeable person who  
indeed will be able to serve all users from the NA
region has been  
selected. Can we do things better in the future -
indeed we can.  
let's learn from this experience and build a better
process for the  
08/09 nomcom selection process

regards

Robert





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