On 18/03/07, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Nick,

You raise an interesting question regarding the nature
of the ICANN Staff role.  I can point to many prior
occasions in the former DNSO environment when ICANN
Staff was neither neutral nor objective, and frankly
many of us saw the hand of Staff directly involved in
the process that led to the removal of directly
elected At-Large Directors.

As a general rule, we have learned not to trust the
efforts of ICANN Staff, all the moreso when their
regular reports to the ICANN Board remain non-public
in spite of all the cries for greater transparency.

Most importantly we have learned that Staff tampers
with Independant Reports through their "editing"
process (as was made clear by Denise Michel's
prolonged delay in making available the LSE Report),
and that Staff will attempt to control independent
investigation output by taking over the role of
setting the Terms of Reference for an Advisory
Committee Review (controlling the end result by
defining the investigative parameters).

Speaking of which, aren't you scheduled to post the
draft Terms of Reference of the upcoming ALAC Review
for public comment?  It was scheduled to commence at
the end of February, wasn't it?

In any case, an objective assessment of the GNSO
policy-recommending process vis-a-vis the At-Large
would have made it clear that while the At-Large via
the ALAC may raise a policy concern, the members of
the At-Large are not considered to be a stakeholder
community with any voting rights in the GNSO and are
necessarily excluded from any final decisionmaking as
they have no votes to cast.

--- Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>
wrote:

> Many thanks for your note. I will take under
> advisement your point about the
> chart and ask what is meant by that element.
>
> As to your following points, I'm sure you'll agree
> that the information that
> I give to the community has to be based upon the
> Bylaws and other objective
> criteria. It is for the community to then make
> judgments about how effective
> a process is, for example - or how meaningful a
> mechanism for input an
> element of a process might be - just as you have
> done. These views ABOUT
> something are necessarily separate from the
> 'something' in question. I'm
> sure that you'll agree that the only kind of
> information I should be
> providing is of a completely objective nature.
>
> On 18/03/07, Danny Younger < dannyyounger@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > There are a few errors in the document that should
> be
> > called to your attention:
> >
> > (1)  There is no provision for individuals (even
> with
> > 10 endorsements) to raise an issue as is indicated
> in
> > the Svensson chart -- individuals have no
> stakeholder
> > status within the GNSO
> > (2)  The chart also indicates that a Policy
> > Development Process takes 95 days start-to-finish.
> > While that may be what the bylaws stipulate, the
> GNSO
> > has often acted in violation of these bylaws. For
> > example, the PDP on new gTLDs is currently at day
> > #468.
> >
> > More importantly, it should be noted that the GNSO
> > schema keeps registrants and members of the
> At-Large
> > out of the policy recommending process.  We have
> no
> > voting rights within this process nor the ability
> to
> > regularly advocate on behalf of our respective
> > communities as public comments are routinely
> ignored
> > by the "stakeholder" representatives that
> recognize
> > that we have no voting rights in the process.
> >
> > This type of "participation" granted to the
> At-Large
> > community in lieu of the "representation" that is
> our
> > right is truly less than useless and constitutes
> an
> > ongoing insult to the At-Large.
> >
> > --- Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Community:
> > >
> > > Since I know many ALSes are not intimately
> familiar
> > > with the GNSO and
> > > the GNSO Policy Development Process, I have
> drawn up
> > > an informational
> > > document which describes both and includes the
> > > graphical
> > > representation of the process previously
> forwarded.
> > >
> > > I hope you will find this helpful, especially
> when
> > > you are
> > > considering the draft resolutions which in the
> > > current draft call for
> > > a PDP to be initiated. The attached will help
> you
> > > understand what
> > > that means, and the other avenues associated
> with,
> > > and connected to,
> > > the full formal PDP process which can also be
> used,
> > > or which can be
> > > complimentary to, the full PDP process.
> > >
> > > Note that French, Spanish, and Portuguese
> > > translations of the
> > > attached documents will be available next week.
> > >
> > > All of these will be posted on the Wikis for the
> > > various regions as
> > > well and I will email those links when they are
> > > available.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > > Director, At-Large
> > > ICANN
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