* maybe a couple of thousand dollars to start piloting some videoconferencing technology. There are a number out there; we have a low-budget one here at Consumers Union that works to connect the mother ship to three remote offices across the U.S., though I wouldn't recommend it because it doesn't have things like whiteboard or voting. Saves travel money in the long run.
 
* maybe hiring the expertise of some professional working group facilitators who can convene, manage, and run a working group from start to finish via a listserv or other means, while adhering to some basic, established, widely-accepted guidelines on creation and administration of working groups.

From: tropology@gmail.com [mailto:tropology@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maranda
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:19 PM
To: Danny Younger
Cc: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference

Our (collective) constituency is the "most general" of ICANN constituencies.  We're not NCUC, and we're not NCUC lite.  These are issues of (global and inclusive) governance.  It's the same challenge our political systems face in terms of meaningful involvement in  ongoing work of the polity or community.   The interest of NCUC members would be to serve their particular constituencies.  Our interest in at-large is in extending involvement in  civil society and collective inclusive governance.  Any and all means of conveying the relevance of Internet/ICANN policy questions to a diversity of stakeholders should be welcome. 

Any of us who might question (or may have questioned) the legitimacy of the At Large project - in it's prior and extended formation phase or in its newly emerged phase will recognize that the limited involvement/exposure we've had is something we need to overcome.  To be truly legitimate representation of the concept of At-Large we need to be inclusive, welcoming and make extensive efforts of outreach, and we have to learn to be productive together, and to have clear paths to show newcomers how to get involved.  (Clear marking of the paths).  I'm not speaking of us as separate organizations, but collectively as NA RALO. 

Frankly, most people - even socially active people - will not consider the Internet policy questions of ICANN important to their life, or to their experience of the Internet, let alone explore it's meaning to wider society except in most general terms.  This leads to neither  action nor involvement.



On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry Darlene, but I don't buy the argument.

I look at the NCUC which is a bunch of similarly
situated noncommercial organizations that each
contributes membership dues to support the work of the
NCUC.

Why is it that each of these orgs can manage to
support the efforts of their umbrella body, but ALSs
can't pony up anything to support the NARALO?

ICANN is not the home of the "free lunch"; responsible
orgs have an obligation to financially support their
own initiatives -- every other constituent group in
ICANN is self-supporting and most will pay to support
their own Secretariat services and other activities.

Look around -- what other active constituencies
engaged in policy work don't pay their own way?


regards,
Danny


--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:

> Danny,
>
> The criteria that you state that each ALS needs to
> be self supporting is
> completely outside of this discussion.  Each ALS IS
> self supporting but
> as most of us represent completely cash-strapped
> organizations, there is
> no way that we can afford to fund ICANN processes.
>
> For example, N-CAP can fund its own programs and
> projects but it has not
> got the money to fund ICANN outreach.  This
> completely falls within the
> scope of that third criterion that you mention.  It
> would be completely
> laughable, though, to expect non-profits to use
> their limited funds to
> support a private corporation's outreach activities.
>
> Having said that, we are each willing to donate our
> limited time and
> effort into promoting this which DOES have value and
> which means that we
> ARE putting resources into this project.
>
> D
>
> Darlene A. Thompson
> Community Access Program Administrator
> Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
> c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
> dthompson@gov.nu.ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:57 PM
> To: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler,
> Beau; Evan
> Leibovitch; NA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re:
> ARIN Participation at
> the Nonprofit Technology Conference
>
> Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS
> requirement:
>
> Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure:
> 3.  Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for
> funding).
>
> In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of
> dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant
> community.  This is not "free money" that you can
> just
> tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now
> than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the
> pockets of those that we have pledged to protect.
>
> If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds
> proposal to demonstrate that its activities can
> reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I
> would have less objection to supporting this type of
> an outreach initiative.  So, are you willing to dig
> into your organizational pockets to support this
> initiative, or not?
>
> As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that
> engage
> in outreach activities.  Doubtless some of that
> Staff
> will be at the upcoming Dubai session.  I would see
> a
> greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a
> North American liaison whose duty it would be to
> properly engage in outreach activities on this
> continent.
>
> ICANN has already budgeted for that function.  Do we
> really need to spend more money on what may well
> turn
> out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA
> Liaison assumes his/her duties?
>
> Danny
>
> --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
>
> > Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing?
> > Can we agree to this
> > on-line?  It seems fairly reasonable to me.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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