Danny
I have to intervene here, this sort of rudeness and
name-calling is totally
unacceptable in an environment such as this where a
group of volunteers are
trying to work together to do something
worthwhile.
Please curb your passion and make an effort to be civil and
civilized in
discussion.
Sincerely
Jacqueline
-----Original
Message-----
From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com]
Sent:
Friday, April 20, 2007 9:35 AM
To: Vittorio Bertola; Wendy Seltzer
Cc: NA
Discuss
Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ALS de-certification & final round on
OP
Re: no matter how you interpret the ICANN Bylaws
definition
of an ALS, an individual doesn't fit into
it.
Vittorio,
Since it
was you that served as the primary author of
the language responsible for the
abomination known as
the ALAC, I understand your view that
the
interpretation doesn't accord with your vision of the
At-Large as
necessarily devoid of individuals.
In North America, however, we
recognize a form of
organization known as the sole proprietorship.
The
ALAC chose to discriminate against a valid North
American
organizational form.
I recall when you used to be part of an effort on
the
part of over 1000 individuals to properly organize the
at-large --
perhaps you remember icannatlarge.com?
But you chose to disregard the
consensus view of the
broader community and implemented a plan
(together
with those that had just eliminated all elected
at-large
directors within ICANN) that had the effect
of denying individuals their due
rights within ICANN.
You have become a traitor to the at-large
movement.
Your recent comments are consistent with your lack of
regard for
the community of individuals you pretend to
represent. Enjoy your forty
pieces of silver as you
take your next junket to an ICANN
event.
--- Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
>
Wendy Seltzer ha scritto:
> > Danny Younger, as an individual, doesn't
have
> groups that he can bully
> > into applying as
ALSs,
>
> Er... I think you know that Danny Younger is Vice
>
President of ISOC's NY
> chapter - actually, in the last month there has
been
> a huge thread on
> the ISOC Chapters list, where the NY
chapter asked
> for opinions, given
> that their member Danny
Younger argued against the
> invitation that Luc
> Faubert sent them
about joining NARALO. See:
>
> http://wwwhatsup.com/isoc-ny/ICANN_ALC
>
>
So let's hear from Danny:
>
> Danny Younger ha scritto:
> >
My application for ALS status has already been
> denied
> > by
the ALAC.
> >
> > Further, the organization with which I
am
> currently
> > affiliated (ISOC-NY) is a member of the NCUC
whose
> > Charter deems ineligible for membership those
> >
organizations that either provide services under
> > contract with
ICANN or provide services under an
> MOU
> > with ICANN --
see
> > http://www.ncdnhc.org/current_charter.htm
>
>
> > As such my chapter will likely not join the ALAC
>
as
> > doing so might mean forfeiting their more valuable
> >
membership within the NCUC.
> >
> > Now I get the impression
that you seek to deny me
> full
> > participatory rights on an
equal footing with my
> > peers...
> >
> > Let's hope
that I have misunderstood your
> position.
>
> So: Danny - as
an individual, you applied to be
> recognized as an ALS and
> your
application was rejected (given that, no matter
> how you
interpret
> the ICANN Bylaws definition of an ALS, an individual
>
doesn't fit into it).
>
> However, you are a leader of an
organization that
> perfectly qualifies as
> an ALS... but you do
not want it to apply as an ALS,
> and even actively
> oppose those
members of that organization that
> suggest it to do so.
>
>
Also, you say that your organization cannot join
> NARALO because
the
> *other* civil society grouping at ICANN forbids its
> members
from
> participating in the At Large.
>
> But then, it's
NARALO that "denies you full
> participatory rights"??
>
> Why
don't you ask the NCUC to waive that limitation
> (if it actually
>
exists) so that you can enjoy your rights through
>
ISOC-NY?
>
> If I may, I would suggest not to lose more time
in
> discussing this kind
> of arguments... I see no way that Danny
can change
> his mind on the At
> Large, but also, personally, I see
it hard to buy
> into his claims, so
> discussing won't lead
anywhere.
>
> Regards,
> --
>
vb.
Vittorio Bertola - vb [a]
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