Received: from [66.75.162.137] (helo=ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com) by server1.emwd.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrHUG-0008PY-M5 for na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:52:32 -0400 Received: from SMR (rrcs-67-52-86-146.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.86.146]) by ms-smtp-05.socal.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l4OHqwqj020852 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seth M. Reiss" To: References: =?utf-8?q?=3Cmailman=2E13=2E1180022411=2E14868=2Ena-discuss=5Fa?= =?utf-8?q?tlarge-lists=2Eicann=2Eorg=40atlarge-lists=2Eicann=2Eorg=3E?= Subject: RE: NA conferencecall Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:51:46 -1000 Message-ID: <004d01c79e2c$34f3a1c0$d5a8a8c0@lawhi.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3Cmailman=2E13=2E1180022411=2E14868=2Ena-discuss=5F?= =?utf-8?q?atlarge-lists=2Eicann=2Eorg=40atlarge-lists=2Eicann=2Eorg=3E?= Thread-Index: AceeHMoV+wFLjjHrS4e9NwG+HZlOaQADyvcg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-EMWD-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EMWD-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EMWD-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=2.6, required 4, BAYES_99 2.50, RDNS_NONE 0.10) X-EMWD-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-EMWD-MailScanner-From: sethreiss@lawhi.com X-Spam-Status: No I would prefer Monday to Tuesday for the conference call as I have a conflict on Tuesday. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of na-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:00 AM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 7, Issue 57 Send NA-Discuss mailing list submissions to na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to na-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at na-discuss-owner@atlarge-lists.icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NA-Discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms (Evan Leibovitch) 2. Re: Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms (Thompson, Darlene) 3. Re: CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call (Thompson, Darlene) 4. Re: CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call (Evan Leibovitch) 5. Re: [At-Large] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call (Bret Fausett) 6. Re: [At-Large] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conferencecall (Thompson, Darlene) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:21:03 -0400 From: Evan Leibovitch Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms To: Luc Faubert , NA Discuss Message-ID: <46559F4F.1040008@telly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Luc, I'm OK with your suggestions. I believe that it's still an unwieldly mess but can work with is so long as it helps achieve consensus. If there are objections _despite_ your accommodations, then we'll know who wants to simply not let this happen. RALOs are advisory bodies which feed their input into a larger advisory body. Implicit in this is the understanding (which we as ALSs knew coming in) that ICANN is perfectly free to accept -- but not follow -- anything we reccommend. That's the role of advisors -- as opposed to directors. While I understand the frustration of those who have been around the process long enough to hate it, I have little patience for those who seek to change -- through the MOU -- the RALO into something it was not designed to be. Those who think the whole ALS/RALO concept is a sham may have a legitimate complaint, but this is the wrong forum in which to fight that particular battle. Having said that, I've quickly gained an appreciation of why many of these folks were ignored elsewhere. - Evan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:24:31 -0400 From: "Thompson, Darlene" Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms To: "NA Discuss" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm fine with the proposed changes that you are recommending. Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Luc Faubert Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:54 AM To: Mr. Robert Guerra; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms I'M OK with the proposed changes. Here are a few suggestions in light of Wendy's comments: 4.7 The new wording is still pretty broad-reaching and I can see why it would worry ICANN. Maybe we can find more precise wording to narrow its scope to something acceptable to ICANN? Could be something like: "4.7 When agreed upon between ICANN and the NARALO, performing public impact analyses (similar to an environmental impact statement) of existing policies or of proposed policy changes affecting North American individual Internet users, and sharing those with the NARALO and general public, and taking account of the public impact in decisionmaking." 4.8 This one is also too broad-reaching. I suggest: "4.8 Acknowledging receipt and providing substantive answers to comments on ICANN affairs submitted by NARALO." Robert: Yes, I can make the changes to the MOU. Let's see what others think about these proposed changes before I implement them in the MOU, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mr. > Robert Guerra > Sent: 24 mai 2007 08:57 > To: NA Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms > > Thanks for this Nick. > > Looks like someone will have to update the wiki to reflect the > comments sent by ICANN legal. > > Luc, have you time to do so. If not, let me know and I will try. > > > regards, > > Robert > --- > Robert Guerra Managing Director, Privaterra > Tel +1 416 893 0377 > > > > On 24-May-07, at 2:15 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: > > > Dear North American community: > > > > As promised, I've attached the review of the terms of the MoU from > > ICANN's perspective. I hope it is useful in your > deliberations and if > > there are any questions please don't hesitate to ask. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart > > PO Box 32160 > > London N4 2XY > > United Kingdom > > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 > > USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > > mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 > > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / > > Skype: nashtonhart > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge- > > lists.icann.org > > --- > > Draft MoU with ICANN: > > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU > > > > Draft Operating Principles: > > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP > > > > Draft Code of Conduct: > > http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct > > > _______________________________________________ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atl arge-lists.icann.org > --- > Draft MoU with ICANN: > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU > > Draft Operating Principles: > http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP > > Draft Code of Conduct: > http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct > _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:24:58 -0400 From: "Thompson, Darlene" Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call To: "NA Discuss" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fine with me! Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Luc Faubert Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:13 AM To: Mr. Robert Guerra; NA Discuss Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [NA-Discuss] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call I agree. If I remember well, the time that suited all our time zones best was 16h00 EST. I propose next Monday the 28th at 16h00 EST. Is this OK for people? _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mr. Robert > Guerra > Sent: 24 mai 2007 10:03 > To: NA Discuss > Cc: At-Large Worldwide > Subject: [At-Large] NA conference call ? > > As new ALS's have recently joined from the NA region, might I suggest > a regional conference call be scheduled. > > The purpose of the call would be to have a round of introductions of > the ALS's and a presentation of the different topics being discussed > at a regional level on the NA list. > > I believe a call would be constructive in building community and bring > an understanding on the viewpoints that exist (which may, or not > agree). > > As for a date - let me suggest a call on or before the first week in > June. > > regards, > > Robert > --- > Robert Guerra Managing Director, Privaterra > Tel +1 416 893 0377 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-l ists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC > Independent: http://www.icannalac.org > _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:54:44 -0400 From: Evan Leibovitch Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call To: NA Discuss Message-ID: <4655A734.9050904@telly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thompson, Darlene wrote: > Fine with me! > Me too. I would like a specific agenda, though, to ensure that important issues are addressed before discussion of longer term issues (as applicable). - Evan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:46:59 -0700 From: Bret Fausett Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conference call To: NA Discuss Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You Canadians. ;-) Monday, May 28th is a national holiday in the United States. Why don't we say Tuesday, May 29th at the same time? Bret ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:54:31 -0400 From: "Thompson, Darlene" Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conferencecall To: "Bret Fausett" , "NA Discuss" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey!!! Did you notice that us Canadians were still replying to e-mails and such this Monday (May 21) which was a national holiday for us? I guess we just aren't as whimpy as SOME people... ;) Date is, of course, fine with me. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:47 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] CONFIRMATION REQUIRED: NA conferencecall You Canadians. ;-) Monday, May 28th is a national holiday in the United States. Why don't we say Tuesday, May 29th at the same time? Bret _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org End of NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 7, Issue 57 *****************************************