On 4/22/07, Luc Faubert < LFaubert@conceptum.ca> wrote:

Hi Michael,

On the one hand there is participation on NA-Discuss of all sorts of people. They can be individuals, members of an ALS or not. At this point, we don't have limitations regarding these individuals. Everybody is welcome.

On the other hand, these individuals must elect 2 voting delegates to our General Assembly. The parameters defining who can act as one of these delegates are what we must agree on. These parameters have not effect on who can join NA-Discuss and discuss with the rest of us,

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From: tropology@gmail.com [mailto:tropology@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maranda
Sent: 22 avril 2007 12:17
To: Thompson, Darlene
Cc: Wendy Seltzer; Luc Faubert; NA Discuss

Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ACTION: Registration of ALS & user voting reps

Since many of the ALSs were organizations established with their own purposes or constituencies, but have come together as organizations to declare themselves asn ALS (through the process), I think we have to also understand that these ALSs will approach matters before ICANN and the RALO from different perspectives, and that this is somewhat normal. The difference in perspective is likely to manifest itself in the focus or attention given to particular topics. Certain topics may not be considered pressing by a particular constituency.

Now, as an individual, this means that all of my concerns as an individual will not likely be covered in any particular ALS unless the organization itself was constituted expressly and exclusively to server an ALS function. I recognize some of the ALSs are so constituted, and I am not arguing that all should. But I am pointing out that as an individual, I will want some mechanism by which to raise my voice on issues of concern to me, even if the ALS I am connected with does not take a stance.

In fact, this leads directly to likely involvement in more than one ALS... if I am predisposed towards the focus of the different organization independent of their ALS status. This is not a nefarious situation of seeking multiplication of voting power.

I am just pointing out that some of us will quite naturally have involvement in multiple organizations that may attain ALS status, and at the same time, we have rights of involvement as individuals despite any affiliation with any ALS.

-MM

On 4/22/07, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:

Wendy,

That list looked good to me but, I'm unaware - how would those criteria get rid of you?

I think that we should try to avoid multiple counting any way that we can but we don't want to accidentally cut somebody out!

D

From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Wendy Seltzer
Sent: Sat 4/21/2007 8:24 PM
To: Luc Faubert
Cc: NA Discuss

Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ACTION: Registration of ALS & user voting reps

Luc Faubert wrote:
> Good question, Darlene. Here's a proposal.
>
> An individual user is (for NARALO's purposes):
> - a person subscribed to the NA-Discuss list,
X > - not a member of a certified ALS,
X > - not a member of an org that has submitted an ALS application,
X > - not on ALAC, nor Chair of NARALO, nor part of its Secretariat,

Why not? Just so you can get rid of me? :)

I'd remove those three. I wouldn't see it as a problem if we double
counted individuals who were "represented" through ALSs but also active
on their own behalf. After all, it's entirely possible that some are
members of more than one ALS, so there's multiple counting already.

- Since we're regional, a natural person citizen or resident of the
United States or Canada.

> - not part of ICANN staff.

To consider:
[- not employed by or having direct financial interest in an ICANN
contractual partner registry or registrar.]

--Wendy

>
> Feel free to amend,
>

>
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> +1 514 236 5129
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>
>
> ________________________________
>
>       From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA]
>       Sent: 21 avril 2007 16:09
>       To: Luc Faubert; NA Discuss
>       Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] ACTION: Registration of ALS & user
> voting reps
>
>
>       Question: for the purposes of this list, are individual users
> only those who are not affiliated with an ALS? or are we all considered
> to be "individuals" as well as ALSs? Just wondering how this is being
> defined.
>
>       Thank you,
>
>       Darlene
>
> ________________________________
>
>       From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of
> Luc Faubert
>       Sent: Sat 4/21/2007 12:47 PM
>       To: NA Discuss
>       Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ACTION: Registration of ALS & user
> voting reps
>
>
>
>       Thanks to all ALSes for posting their voting delegates on our
> contacts
>       page. We're only missing the ones for IPT and People Who. I
> didn't hear
>       from them yet.
>
>       As for individual users, I encourage those interested to submit
> their
>       candidacy as voting delegates to post this to the list, since it
> will be
>       individuals subscribed to this list who will decide who their
> voting
>       delegates will be,
>
>
>       _________________________________________
>       Luc Faubert
>       Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement /
>       IT governance and change management consulting
>       +1 514 236 5129
>       www.LucFaubert.com
>       www.isoc.qc.ca
>       www.ccig.ca
>       www.maillons.qc.ca
>
>
>
>       > -----Original Message-----
>       > From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
>       > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf
>       > Of Luc Faubert
>       > Sent: 20 avril 2007 10:59
>       > To: NA Discuss
>       > Subject: [NA-Discuss] ACTION: Registration of ALS & user
> voting reps
>       >
>       > To all certified ALSes and individual users:
>       >
>       > In preparation for formation of our General Assembly, ALSes
>       > and individual users need to enter the names of their 2
>       > representatives at http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Contacts .
>       >
>       > This is pretty straightforward for ALSes and should be
>       > completed today.
>       > As for individual users, they will need to select their 2
>       > representatives, so I propose we give ourselves the weekend
>       > for them to do so.
>       >
>       > Thanks in advance,
>       >
>       >
>       > _________________________________________
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