Yep. I know this is always a slippery slope! But it's fun and trivia filled (thanks for the History class!) PS: How do we distinguish Canadian "Northern West-Hemispherians" from their Yankee neighbors to the South? Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua
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It's all relative. People from different parts of the world call us all Yankees. If you live in the U.S., Yankees are only people from the North. If you live in the North Yankees are a specific class of people descended from old English settlers. I live in Boston, and by my own perspective I am NOT a Yankee, but to people from other places I AM a Yankee. To muddy the waters further, "Yankee" was a Dutch insult for English settlers, but it is now a term of pride for some people (and an different insult to others).
How about "Northern West-Hemispherians"?
On 1/16/17 9:01 PM, Javier Rua wrote: U.S.A. will do. "America" could be problematic, since it can be criticized as a cultural appropriation of a geographic term which describes two continents (and perhaps all the peoples of the New World).
PS: Bit of a pet peeve of mine: in Spanish we can call people from the USA "estadounidenses", which would literally translate to "Unitedstatesians". I find "estadounidense" quite proper and sufficiently descriptive. However, many of us still fall into the pitfall of describing, particularly Anglophone "Unitedstatesians", as "Americanos". (On a side note, a friend, Tim Unwin, is actually encouraging everyone to call the people of the USA "USAns" (pronounced you-ess-ns)).
The only nation that would have standing to object the "estadounidense" demonym is Mexico, since the official name of that republic is United States of Mexico. But I don't think Mexicans would like to be called "estadounidenses" (especially in the Trump age!). This discussion is not irrelevant since -by definition- language defines everything (pun intended). Take for example the historic election of Francis as Pope (and note that I'm not religious person). Everybody and the media celebrated him as the first "Latin American" Pope. But Francis is much more than that: He is the First Pope from the New World; the first non-European Pope; the First AMERICAN Pope; period!!
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On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:19 PM, Leah Symekher <lsymek@gmail.com> wrote:
this last draft with changes looks great. One little note, the US should be:
United States of America (USA), commonly referred to as the United States ( U.S.) or America
Thanks. Leah Symekher
On 1/14/17 6:31 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote: A special thanks to Joly on his comments G
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On 17 January 2017 at 04:44, Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. I know this is always a slippery slope! But it's fun and trivia filled (thanks for the History class!)
PS: How do we distinguish Canadian "Northern West-Hemispherians" from their Yankee neighbors to the South?
Canadians by-and-large just don't think at all about this kind of thing. We have a nice six-letter, acronym-free country name that is pronounced the same in every language. Our flag is both symmetrical and globally identifiable in monochrome. Our main I18N issues are that some languages prefer a K rather than a C, and that Spanish and Portuguese strangely put an accent on the last "a". Pretty small stuff. OTOH, we NEVER use the word America or American or even "part of the Americas" to describe any part of ourselves. Really, NEVER; the rest of you are welcome to the term and to argue over its appropriation as long as you like. We begrudgingly accept being part of a continent that includes the word, but unless forced by foreigners we avoid its use due to instablity (consider that NAFTA comprises just three countries and NARALO only two). Heck, we didn't even join OAS until 1990. So while we often get into domestic arguments about what is "culturally Canadian" there are zero difficulties with nomenclature, and we get to sit out discussions of (what seems to often be) silly minutiae over national names, symbols and acronyms. - Evan
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