Proposal for North American Indigenous TLD
A proposal has been fielded for a new gTLD for the North American Indigenous community (.nai) -- details at http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2008/04/004460.html This appears to be an effort spearheaded by Eric Brunner-Williams who earlier in DNSO Working Group C proposed the TLD .naa (a gTLD scoped to North America and the territories, trusts and treaty dependencies of the United States and Canada, and delegated to the designates of the National Congress of American Indians/Assembly of First Nations) -- see http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/19991023.NCwgc-report.html It looks like Eric is currently affiliated with CORE, (and he has had prior experience with the gTLD submission process via the SWITCH .org proposal). Some in the NARALO may wish to assist in this effort. The primary obstacle, of course, will be the cost of the the ticket to the ICANN Ball. ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com
Danny Younger wrote:
Some in the NARALO may wish to assist in this effort. The primary obstacle, of course, will be the cost of the ticket to the ICANN Ball.
Not to mention the long-term practicality of the effort given the number of actual domains that would benefit. I have fresh in my mind the most recent high-profile example of native groups (or, more appropriately, non-native taxpayers) paying for the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network (http://www.aptn.ca). On that network we get to see aboriginally-relevant programs such as "Street Legal" (set in a downtown Toronto law office) and great aboriginal-culture films such as "The Green Mile" and "Fargo". (I know I'm citing extreme examples and APTN does create relevant programming. I wouldn't be nearly so bothered if I wasn't _forced_ to pay for it, Canadian cable and dish customers cannot opt out... so forgive my lack of enthusiasm for another effort that I may end up having to pay for against my will.) While the "cost of the ticket" may be overinflated, it does require applicants to have at least some semblance of an economic rationale. Collective pride _in itself_ cannot be sufficient justification for a TLD -- if it is (in this case), you and I will end up paying for it somehow if there is no independent and sustainable business case. (As a matter of consistency, I expressed the same concern about .nyc -- except that in that instance there's less chance of taxpayer bailout or subsidy.) I wouldn't stand in the way of such an effort, but I will certainly resist any demands or preconditions that non-natives must help fund it. - Evan
Hi, nice to see this idea coming back. A bit of history: I'm not sure when Dr Mohawk was kicking around the idea of the indigenous TLD, the page doesn't say. http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2008/04/004460.html In 1994, I worked with the Oneida Nation of NY and I believe they were the first Indian Nation with a domain and a home page (they came up before the White House did...). I worked for an ISP at the time and knew Jon Postel and brought the idea of a TLD for indigenous sovereign nations to him at that time. He did kick around the idea of a .IND (for indigenous peoples all over the world) and also .NAT for native peoples. It is true that because this was not provided for in 3166 it did not go forward. See http://www.isoc.org/postel/condolences.shtml#Jean%20Armour%20Polly,%20%20for... and http://www.cs.org/publications/csq/csq-article.cfm?id=1458&highlight=polly for the new url for the article referenced there-- history of the Oneida home page and the TLD effort. JP
I'm interested. What can we (I) do to help? Beau Brendler -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:27 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Proposal for North American Indigenous TLD A proposal has been fielded for a new gTLD for the North American Indigenous community (.nai) -- details at http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2008/04/004460.html This appears to be an effort spearheaded by Eric Brunner-Williams who earlier in DNSO Working Group C proposed the TLD .naa (a gTLD scoped to North America and the territories, trusts and treaty dependencies of the United States and Canada, and delegated to the designates of the National Congress of American Indians/Assembly of First Nations) -- see http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/19991023.NCwgc-report.html It looks like Eric is currently affiliated with CORE, (and he has had prior experience with the gTLD submission process via the SWITCH .org proposal). Some in the NARALO may wish to assist in this effort. The primary obstacle, of course, will be the cost of the the ticket to the ICANN Ball. ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ *** Scanned
Hi Beau, The very first issue that needs to be addressed is the string itself (NAI). ICANN is in the process of working out new gTLD implementation considerations, and one of the factors to be evaluated is the "GAC Principles Regarding New gTLDs" wherein section 2.3 it is stated: "The process for introducing new gTLDs must make proper allowance for prior third-party rights, in particular trademark rights..." You will note that NAI is a trademark of Networks Associates Technology, Inc. The GAC language is currently buttressed by GNSO language that states: "Strings must not infringe the existing legal rights of others that are recognized or enforceable under generally accepted and internationally recognized principles of law". However, a compelling argument against this point of view has already been made by ICANN prior Legal Counsel Louis Touton that stated: "the United States Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) has made clear that a top-level domain name, when used as a registry under which lower-level domain names are registered, does not function as a source identifier subject to service-mark rights, but instead is an informational description of the names being registered." -- http://www.icann.org/correspondence/touton-letter-to-bank-for-international-... What we will need to do is to have At-Large members interested in this topic either attend or remotely participate in the April 10-11 new gTLD session in LA to discuss this consideration further. Meeting details and Agenda can be found here: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04906.html If the applicant can't make it past this first hurdle (any you know how many three letter strings are subject to trademark considerations... probably all of them), then we are all dead in the water. --- "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> wrote:
I'm interested. What can we (I) do to help?
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OK. I can't go to LA next week but will try to participate remotely. BB -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:25 AM To: Brendler, Beau; NA Discuss Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Proposal for North American Indigenous TLD Hi Beau, The very first issue that needs to be addressed is the string itself (NAI). ICANN is in the process of working out new gTLD implementation considerations, and one of the factors to be evaluated is the "GAC Principles Regarding New gTLDs" wherein section 2.3 it is stated: "The process for introducing new gTLDs must make proper allowance for prior third-party rights, in particular trademark rights..." You will note that NAI is a trademark of Networks Associates Technology, Inc. The GAC language is currently buttressed by GNSO language that states: "Strings must not infringe the existing legal rights of others that are recognized or enforceable under generally accepted and internationally recognized principles of law". However, a compelling argument against this point of view has already been made by ICANN prior Legal Counsel Louis Touton that stated: "the United States Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) has made clear that a top-level domain name, when used as a registry under which lower-level domain names are registered, does not function as a source identifier subject to service-mark rights, but instead is an informational description of the names being registered." -- http://www.icann.org/correspondence/touton-letter-to-bank-for-internatio nal-settlements-21may01.htm What we will need to do is to have At-Large members interested in this topic either attend or remotely participate in the April 10-11 new gTLD session in LA to discuss this consideration further. Meeting details and Agenda can be found here: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04906.html If the applicant can't make it past this first hurdle (any you know how many three letter strings are subject to trademark considerations... probably all of them), then we are all dead in the water. --- "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> wrote:
I'm interested. What can we (I) do to help?
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I'd like to see us, both as a RALO and ALAC, advocate for (a) objective TLD evaluations (b) conducted pursuant to a predictable and transparent process, (c) with low barriers to entry. If we do that, then good proposals, like this one, should have no problems. -- Bret
Agreed! Since that doesn't seem to be the direction in which the process is going, can we get consensus around these elementary points to send to GNSO and Board? --Wendy Bret Fausett wrote:
I'd like to see us, both as a RALO and ALAC, advocate for (a) objective TLD evaluations (b) conducted pursuant to a predictable and transparent process, (c) with low barriers to entry.
If we do that, then good proposals, like this one, should have no problems.
-- Bret
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
I'd like to see us, both as a RALO and ALAC, advocate for (a) objective TLD evaluations (b) conducted pursuant to a predictable and transparent process, (c) with low barriers to entry.
I agree that these describe the TLD process we want. In view of ICANN's chronic fogginess, the clarity of these three points can only help. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
I'm interested. What can we (I) do to help?
If ICANN ever deals with the constipation in the TLD process, this would be a perfectly reasonable candidate to be one of the next thousand domains. In the current environment where you need to spend $100K to apply, lobby, schmooze, make legal threats, etc., I just don't see where the money's coming from. I'd rather work on the underlying problem that there's no new TLD process than try to pick ones to push through the existing non-process. R's, John
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:27 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Proposal for North American Indigenous TLD
A proposal has been fielded for a new gTLD for the North American Indigenous community (.nai) -- details at http://wampum.wabanaki.net/vault/2008/04/004460.html
This appears to be an effort spearheaded by Eric Brunner-Williams who earlier in DNSO Working Group C proposed the TLD .naa (a gTLD scoped to North America and the territories, trusts and treaty dependencies of the United States and Canada, and delegated to the designates of the National Congress of American Indians/Assembly of First Nations) -- see http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/19991023.NCwgc-report.html
It looks like Eric is currently affiliated with CORE, (and he has had prior experience with the gTLD submission process via the SWITCH .org proposal).
Some in the NARALO may wish to assist in this effort. The primary obstacle, of course, will be the cost of the the ticket to the ICANN Ball.
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Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
participants (7)
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Brendler, Beau -
Bret Fausett -
Danny Younger -
Evan Leibovitch -
Jean Armour Polly -
John Levine -
Wendy Seltzer