Re: [NA-Discuss] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
Just two clarifications to the below: Firstly, there is a further qualification for ALAC members: that the members selected must be nationals, or residents, of different countries in the region. Of course, many candidates from a single country would be welcomed - but only one from each could actually be seated. This comes from the ICANN Bylaws if you are wondering. Secondly, the election and seating of ALAC representatives is dependent not upon the adoption of Operating Principles, but on the agreement of the contents of the MoU with ICANN. Whilst I'm sure from the discussions here that the region does want to have Operating Principles, this is not strictly speaking necessary to elect ALAC representatives. [ On 18/05/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
CALL FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST | NORTH AMERICAN R.A.L.O. IN FORMATION | 18 MAY 2007
Consistent with Paragraph 10 of the Draft Operating Principles ("OP") for the North American RALO in Formation, I am pleased to open the Call for Statements of Interest for persons interested in serving on ICANN's At Large Advisory Committee. Consistent with Paragraph 9 of the OP, the only requirement for service is that a candidate live in the North American region.
This initial call for Statements of Interest is to elect two (2) members of the ALAC. One person will serve a two year term and the other will serve a one year term. The ALAC members will be elected by the voting members of the NARALO, only if and after its members ratify the Operating Principles now out for a vote. Each year hereafter, the NARALO will elect one (1) person.
This Call for Statements of Interest will remain open from today, Friday, 18 May 2007 through and including Friday, 22 June 2007 (11:59 pm HST).
If you are interested in applying, please send an email to Nick Ashton-Hart (nick.ashton-hart (at) icann.org) and to me (bfausett (at) internet.law.pro) with the following information:
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(a) Your name: first name, FAMILY NAME (in capital letters)
(b) Your e-mail address.
(c) Your telephone number(s) and/or Skype/Yahoo!/Mac or other VOIP or Audio Chat ID.
(d) Your country of citizenship. If you hold multiple citizenships please state all.
(e) Your city and country of residence and your preferred mailing address.
(f) Education and professional background. Summarize your educational background, such as degrees achieved and the university(s) where you studied, and the three most recent places of employment and positions held.
(g) Internet Involvement and Interest in ICANN. Help us understand the skills and experience you would bring to the ALAC and how you would help the ALAC achieve its mission.
(h) Conflicts of Interest. Please refer to the ICANN Conflicts of Interest policy http://www.icann.org/committees/coi/coi-policy-04mar99.htm. This document is aimed at conflicts for ICANN Directors and Officers, but should provide guidance for all ICANN leadership positions. If you have had any relationship with an ICANN accredited registry or registrar (other than registering a domain name) or any organization that has been in dispute with ICANN, please describe that relationship here. Conflicts of interest are not necessarily disqualifying, since we anticipate that many experienced people may have such relationships.
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PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL RESPONSES WILL BE PUBLIC AND WILL BE POSTED FOR REVIEW ON THE ALAC WEB SITE AND THE NA-RALO MAILING LISTS AS APPROPRIATE.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Bret Fausett Interim Chair, North American RALO General Assembly Member, WEB405, Accredited ALS
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Firstly, there is a further qualification for ALAC members: that the members selected must be nationals, or residents, of different countries in the region.
This comes from the ICANN Bylaws if you are wondering.
I've often heard this, but I just looked through the bylaws and I can't find where it says that. It does say in section XI(2)(4)(b) that the five ALAC members appointed by the Nomcom must all be from different regions, and XI(2)(4)(e) says that the five Nomcom members appointed by the ALAC must be from different regions, but I can't see any restriction on the members selected by the RALOs. XI(2)(4)(b) says: b. The ALAC shall consist of (i) two members selected by each of the Regional At-Large Organizations ("RALOs") established according to paragraph 4(g) of this Section, and (ii) five members selected by the Nominating Committee. The five members selected by the Nominating Committee shall include one citizen of a country within each of the five Geographic Regions established according to Section 5 of Article VI. What am I missing? Also, I can't help but note that there are three ALAC reps from North America and only two countries. (All of the small domains like .vi .pr .gu .as .um are part of the U.S. People who live in American Samoa are U.S. nationals rather than U.S. citizens, but there's no practical difference.) That makes the arithmetic rather difficult if the three reps are supposed to all be from different countries.
I agree with John. Unless a particular MoU puts restrictions on who the ALAC reps can be, it is open. Of course, one may assume that a RALO will select members who are residents (or whatever) of their constituent countries, but I can see nothing that requires it. Alan At 5/18/2007 10:33 PM, John L wrote:
Firstly, there is a further qualification for ALAC members: that the members selected must be nationals, or residents, of different countries in the region.
This comes from the ICANN Bylaws if you are wondering.
I've often heard this, but I just looked through the bylaws and I can't find where it says that. It does say in section XI(2)(4)(b) that the five ALAC members appointed by the Nomcom must all be from different regions, and XI(2)(4)(e) says that the five Nomcom members appointed by the ALAC must be from different regions, but I can't see any restriction on the members selected by the RALOs. XI(2)(4)(b) says:
b. The ALAC shall consist of (i) two members selected by each of the Regional At-Large Organizations ("RALOs") established according to paragraph 4(g) of this Section, and (ii) five members selected by the Nominating Committee. The five members selected by the Nominating Committee shall include one citizen of a country within each of the five Geographic Regions established according to Section 5 of Article VI.
What am I missing?
Also, I can't help but note that there are three ALAC reps from North America and only two countries. (All of the small domains like .vi .pr .gu .as .um are part of the U.S. People who live in American Samoa are U.S. nationals rather than U.S. citizens, but there's no practical difference.) That makes the arithmetic rather difficult if the three reps are supposed to all be from different countries.
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Alan and John, Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states: "Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American region, and they may not be citizens of the same country." All existing RALOs have similar wording in their OP and/or MOU. _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: 18 mai 2007 22:55 To: John L; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [At-Large] Call for Statements of Interest | NA RALO Seats on ALAC
I agree with John. Unless a particular MoU puts restrictions on who the ALAC reps can be, it is open. Of course, one may assume that a RALO will select members who are residents (or whatever) of their constituent countries, but I can see nothing that requires it.
Alan
At 5/18/2007 10:33 PM, John L wrote:
Firstly, there is a further qualification for ALAC members: that the members selected must be nationals, or residents, of different countries in the region.
This comes from the ICANN Bylaws if you are wondering.
I've often heard this, but I just looked through the bylaws and I can't find where it says that. It does say in section XI(2)(4)(b) that the five ALAC members appointed by the Nomcom must all be from different regions, and XI(2)(4)(e) says that the five Nomcom members appointed by the ALAC must be from different regions, but I can't see any restriction on the members selected by the RALOs. XI(2)(4)(b) says:
b. The ALAC shall consist of (i) two members selected by each of the Regional At-Large Organizations ("RALOs") established according to paragraph 4(g) of this Section, and (ii) five members selected by the Nominating Committee. The five members selected by the Nominating Committee shall include one citizen of a country within each of the five Geographic Regions established according to Section 5 of Article VI.
What am I missing?
Also, I can't help but note that there are three ALAC reps from North America and only two countries. (All of the small domains like .vi .pr .gu .as .um are part of the U.S. People who live in American Samoa are U.S. nationals rather than U.S. citizens, but there's no practical difference.) That makes the arithmetic rather difficult if the three reps are supposed to all be from different countries.
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Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American region, and they may not be citizens of the same country."
Well, OK, now it's not in the bylaws, now it's in the proposed MOU. I'm getting the impression this is a rule that someone made up one day and said "it's always been that way." ICANN evidently places no requirements on RALO appointed members other than that they be residents of the region. As I hardly need to remind people, the NA region consists, unlike any other region, of only two countries, one of which is ten times as populous as the other. While I think it is important to encourage geographic diversity, I don't think anyone would favor a rule that required that one member always be from Califonia. Yet California has the same population as Canada. When the Nomcom member is from Canada (who, incidentally, I think is doing a fine job, this isn't about him), this rule would in effect give Canadians twenty times the per capita vote of Americans. I would adjust that section to say: "Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based the North American region. To the maximum extent feasible, the selected individuals should represent the geographic and cultural diversity of the region." Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
I agree with your proposal, John. Seems reasonable to me, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting +1 514 236 5129 www.LucFaubert.com www.LucFaubert.com/blog www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.uqbm.qc.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: 19 mai 2007 10:25 To: Luc Faubert Cc: Nick Ashton-Hart; na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; NA Discuss Subject: RE: [At-Large] Geographic diversity in the NARALO
Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American region, and they may not be citizens of the same country."
Well, OK, now it's not in the bylaws, now it's in the proposed MOU. I'm getting the impression this is a rule that someone made up one day and said "it's always been that way." ICANN evidently places no requirements on RALO appointed members other than that they be residents of the region.
As I hardly need to remind people, the NA region consists, unlike any other region, of only two countries, one of which is ten times as populous as the other. While I think it is important to encourage geographic diversity, I don't think anyone would favor a rule that required that one member always be from Califonia. Yet California has the same population as Canada. When the Nomcom member is from Canada (who, incidentally, I think is doing a fine job, this isn't about him), this rule would in effect give Canadians twenty times the per capita vote of Americans.
I would adjust that section to say:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based the North American region. To the maximum extent feasible, the selected individuals should represent the geographic and cultural diversity of the region."
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
I too support John's proposed revision, below. Diversity has many many dimensions. On 5/19/07, John L <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American region, and they may not be citizens of the same country."
Well, OK, now it's not in the bylaws, now it's in the proposed MOU. I'm getting the impression this is a rule that someone made up one day and said "it's always been that way." ICANN evidently places no requirements on RALO appointed members other than that they be residents of the region.
As I hardly need to remind people, the NA region consists, unlike any other region, of only two countries, one of which is ten times as populous as the other. While I think it is important to encourage geographic diversity, I don't think anyone would favor a rule that required that one member always be from Califonia. Yet California has the same population as Canada. When the Nomcom member is from Canada (who, incidentally, I think is doing a fine job, this isn't about him), this rule would in effect give Canadians twenty times the per capita vote of Americans.
I would adjust that section to say:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based the North American region. To the maximum extent feasible, the selected individuals should represent the geographic and cultural diversity of the region."
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
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Can you add gender diversity as well (to the max extent feasible) From: Michael Maranda [mailto:mmaranda@afcn.org] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:41 PM To: John L Cc: Luc Faubert; na-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] Geographic diversity in the NARALO I too support John's proposed revision, below. Diversity has many many dimensions. On 5/19/07, John L <HYPERLINK "mailto:johnl@iecc.com"johnl@iecc.com > wrote:
Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states:
"Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American region, and they may not be citizens of the same country."
Well, OK, now it's not in the bylaws, now it's in the proposed MOU. I'm getting the impression this is a rule that someone made up one day and said "it's always been that way." ICANN evidently places no requirements on RALO appointed members other than that they be residents of the region. As I hardly need to remind people, the NA region consists, unlike any other region, of only two countries, one of which is ten times as populous as the other. While I think it is important to encourage geographic diversity, I don't think anyone would favor a rule that required that one member always be from Califonia. Yet California has the same population as Canada. When the Nomcom member is from Canada (who, incidentally, I think is doing a fine job, this isn't about him), this rule would in effect give Canadians twenty times the per capita vote of Americans. I would adjust that section to say: "Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different At-Large Structures based the North American region. To the maximum extent feasible, the selected individuals should represent the geographic and cultural diversity of the region." Regards, John Levine, HYPERLINK "mailto:johnl@iecc.com"johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, HYPERLINK "http://www.johnlevine.com"http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org"NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.or g HYPERLINK "http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic ann.org"http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-l ists.icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: HYPERLINK "http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU"http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: HYPERLINK "http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP"http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: HYPERLINK "http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct"http://www.icannwiki.org/NA RALO_Code_of_Conduct -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Executive Director, CTCNet Chicago Chapter Co-Founder, Chicago Digital Access Alliance Co-Chair, Illinois Community Technology Coalition President, Association For Community Networking Support the efforts of the Chicago Digital Access Alliance: HYPERLINK "http://www.digitalaccessalliance.org"http://www.digitalaccessalliance.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM
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