Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
To the members of NARALO: I sent the message below to Evan and he recommended I make my appeal directly to the list. My membership in NARALO is based on membership in ISOC-NY. I, therefore, ask this RALAO directly to consider endorsing me as a petition candidate to the ICANN BoD list. I believe that I offer an alternative to the candidates already on that list and that I would represent a strong position in favor of the interests of Internet users. As I mention below, I am available to answer any questions you might have. Thanks a. Begin forwarded message:
From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Date: 29 October 2010 20:38:17 EDT To: evan@telly.org
Dear Evan,
I would appreciate it if NARALO would consider endorsing my applications as a petition candidate.
My statement can be found at: <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2265195/At-Large+Director+A...>
I am available to answer any questions the RALAO might have.
Thank you,
Avri
I recommend that NARALO support Avri as a petition candidate. Her deep knowledge of the ICANN policy development process and strong history of support for the public interest recommend her as an ICANN board member for ALAC and At Large. --Wendy On 10/31/2010 01:47 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
To the members of NARALO:
I sent the message below to Evan and he recommended I make my appeal directly to the list. My membership in NARALO is based on membership in ISOC-NY.
I, therefore, ask this RALAO directly to consider endorsing me as a petition candidate to the ICANN BoD list. I believe that I offer an alternative to the candidates already on that list and that I would represent a strong position in favor of the interests of Internet users.
As I mention below, I am available to answer any questions you might have.
Thanks
a.
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From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Date: 29 October 2010 20:38:17 EDT To: evan@telly.org
Dear Evan,
I would appreciate it if NARALO would consider endorsing my applications as a petition candidate.
My statement can be found at: <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2265195/At-Large+Director+A...>
I am available to answer any questions the RALAO might have.
Thank you,
Avri
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I am aware of at least one other region that is considering supporting a petition for Avri as a candidate, and I have now heard from another NARALO member besides Wendy supporting her inclusion. I would like to get a sense of whether NARALO as a whole would support this position. Please note: - Supporting Avri as a petition candidate does not obligate anyone to vote for her -- this is simply for her inclusion on the ballot - If we are to do this we must do it soon, as in the next few days, because of the compressed campaign schedule Please speak soon. If there are not three regions in support of this petition it will fail. But I need to know ASAP whether NARALO is in favour or opposed to our participation in such a petition. - Evan
The Colorado Chapter of the Internet Society (the ALS which I speak for) supports Avri's petition. I recommend that NARALO as a whole support this position. ~Chris On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 06:57, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
I am aware of at least one other region that is considering supporting a petition for Avri as a candidate, and I have now heard from another NARALO member besides Wendy supporting her inclusion.
I would like to get a sense of whether NARALO as a whole would support this position.
Please note: - Supporting Avri as a petition candidate does not obligate anyone to vote for her -- this is simply for her inclusion on the ballot - If we are to do this we must do it soon, as in the next few days, because of the compressed campaign schedule
Please speak soon. If there are not three regions in support of this petition it will fail. But I need to know ASAP whether NARALO is in favour or opposed to our participation in such a petition.
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I would like to get a sense of whether NARALO as a whole would support this position.
Avri certainly has the background and expertise to merit being on the ballot. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Hello everyone, Since I posted a request for comments on NARALO's possible participation in adding people to the ballot, there have been a number of replies. Some have been in support, but as many have also been firmly against supporting a petition. It is clear that NARALO does not have a consensus on this matter. I will wait to hear more opinions to help determine whether there is enough strong support for a petition to proceed further. - Evan
I hope that people will be willing to discuss their positions openly, so that we can have a debate on the merits and endeavor to persuade those who disagree. I support adding petition candidates, and Avri specifically, as a means of democratizing the selection process and bringing additional talent to the candidate pool. I think it speaks poorly for At-Large to engage in closed selection processes that pick all-male slates, and adding petition candidates would show our ability to adapt to community concerns. (I note that I have seen discussion in both the European and Asia-Pacific RALO lists about the possibility of endorsing Avri's petition, so there appears to be a genuine possibility for her to be added to the ballot under the current rules.) --Wendy On 11/01/2010 03:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hello everyone,
Since I posted a request for comments on NARALO's possible participation in adding people to the ballot, there have been a number of replies.
Some have been in support, but as many have also been firmly against supporting a petition. It is clear that NARALO does not have a consensus on this matter.
I will wait to hear more opinions to help determine whether there is enough strong support for a petition to proceed further.
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 13:26, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
I hope that people will be willing to discuss their positions openly, so that we can have a debate on the merits and endeavor to persuade those who disagree.
I agree and fell that we are currently at a disadvantage. I have seen no public posts firmly against supporting a petition. Seeing the reasoning behind that argument would certainly do more to advance the conversation than keeping it off-list. The only way to reach any real consensus is to have an *open* debate.
I support adding petition candidates, and Avri specifically, as a means of democratizing the selection process and bringing additional talent to the candidate pool.
Well said. ~Chris
I think it speaks poorly for At-Large to engage in closed selection processes that pick all-male slates, and adding petition candidates would show our ability to adapt to community concerns.
(I note that I have seen discussion in both the European and Asia-Pacific RALO lists about the possibility of endorsing Avri's petition, so there appears to be a genuine possibility for her to be added to the ballot under the current rules.)
--Wendy
On 11/01/2010 03:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hello everyone,
Since I posted a request for comments on NARALO's possible participation in adding people to the ballot, there have been a number of replies.
Some have been in support, but as many have also been firmly against supporting a petition. It is clear that NARALO does not have a consensus on this matter.
I will wait to hear more opinions to help determine whether there is enough strong support for a petition to proceed further.
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I support adding petition candidates, and Avri specifically, as a means of democratizing the selection process and bringing additional talent to the candidate pool.
As an unaffiliated NARALO member, I also support the notion of petition candidates in general, for the reasons Wendy outlined above, and also I support Avri's petition in particular. Jean Armour Polly Ex=Interim ALAC member
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones. Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it? -ed On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
Since I posted a request for comments on NARALO's possible participation in adding people to the ballot, there have been a number of replies.
Some have been in support, but as many have also been firmly against supporting a petition. It is clear that NARALO does not have a consensus on this matter.
I will wait to hear more opinions to help determine whether there is enough strong support for a petition to proceed further.
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On 1 November 2010 17:05, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones.
Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it?
Some are opposed to a specific petition (for Avri). Others are against having a petition at all (ie, the BCEC did its job and we trust its people that did what they were asked to do). The implication is that, since the BCEC _could_ have put more than three candidates on the ballot, it must have had sufficient reason to limit the final cut to the three that it did. That's as much of a generalization as I feel comfortable doing. As for the reasons why these comments were made privately, I can only speculate that it's because we're talking about people rather than policies ... and some NARALO members commenting may believe that they could be treated differently by their peers for speaking their opinions honestly. It's not for me to judge if those beliefs are warranted. Those people have, for certain, read the calls here for open debate. It is their call how they choose to proceed. I am simply noting the fact that, unusually for NARALO, we have a significant divide. I myself am genuinely undecided. I like Avri personally and professionally, I work with her on committees and greatly appreciate what she brings to end-user advocacy. I also trust the judgments of the people on the BCEC, including NARALO's two representatives. I know they had a very difficult task, and I am confident that a suitable advocate for Internet end-users can be elected from amongst the three people that the BCEC *did* submit. At this point I am more concerned about the campaign becoming a Jerry Springer episode on a global stage than I am about sending an unqualified person to the position. Right now the only thing of which I am certain is that I am thoroughly exhausted by this whole process, long before the vote takes place. - Evan
Here's the story so far. NARALO is pretty well split down the middle on the issue of the petition for Avri. So far I have counted (between private and public expression) four ALSs in favour of the petition and three opposed, as well as two individual members in favour and two opposed. And we haven't heard from everyone yet. At very least, we certainly do not have consensus at this time, even a rough one, and we've worked by consensus since the day NARALO was formed. In the meantime, I will check to see what is happening in other regions. If two other regions don't support a petition it fails no matter what we do. And the BCEC is meeting tomorrow and may issue a statement to clarify some rumours and unknowns. - Evan
On behalf of ISOC-NY, particularly since two of the rejected candidates are members, I have reserved comment. I will be consulting with our board before opting one way or the other. joly On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Here's the story so far.
NARALO is pretty well split down the middle on the issue of the petition for Avri. So far I have counted (between private and public expression) four ALSs in favour of the petition and three opposed, as well as two individual members in favour and two opposed. And we haven't heard from everyone yet.
At very least, we certainly do not have consensus at this time, even a rough one, and we've worked by consensus since the day NARALO was formed.
In the meantime, I will check to see what is happening in other regions. If two other regions don't support a petition it fails no matter what we do. And the BCEC is meeting tomorrow and may issue a statement to clarify some rumours and unknowns.
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participants (8)
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Avri Doria -
Chris Grundemann -
Eduardo Diaz -
Evan Leibovitch -
Jean Armour Polly -
John R. Levine -
Joly MacFie -
Wendy Seltzer