-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Agenda Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:51:53 -0500 From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> To: dannyyounger@yahoo.com CC: Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info>, "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> References: <368660.49049.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Danny Younger wrote:
Alan,
There are some amendments which are simply not acceptable. Let's consider a specific example cited in my own public comments as well as in the comments of the IPC and the US DOC:
"Also, Registrar shall either (1) include in the database the name and postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service offered or made available by Registrar or its affiliate companies in connection with each registration or (2) display a conspicuous notice to such customers at the time an election is made to utilize such privacy or proxy service that their data is not being escrowed."
The second clause in this amendment must be eliminated as it is antithetical to the interest of all registrants.
I disagree, speaking as one registrant. A registrant should have the option never to have his/her personal information recorded. If that means risking losing the name because the information is not escrowed, that risk option should be the registrant's choice, not ICANN's. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
Hi Wendy, At least we agree that these amendments should not be blithely agreed to as a package as community members still have significant disagreements over the language of the amendments. best wishes, Danny --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Subject: [NA-Discuss] [Fwd: Re: ALAC Agenda] To: "NA Discuss" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 12:10 PM -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ALAC Agenda Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:51:53 -0500 From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> To: dannyyounger@yahoo.com CC: Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info>, "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> References: <368660.49049.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Danny Younger wrote:
Alan,
There are some amendments which are simply not acceptable. Let's consider a specific example cited in my own public comments as well as in the comments of the IPC and the US DOC:
"Also, Registrar shall either (1) include in the database the name and postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of any proxy registration service offered or made available by Registrar or its affiliate companies in connection with each registration or (2) display a conspicuous notice to such customers at the time an election is made to utilize such privacy or proxy service that their data is not being escrowed."
The second clause in this amendment must be eliminated as it is antithetical to the interest of all registrants.
I disagree, speaking as one registrant. A registrant should have the option never to have his/her personal information recorded. If that means risking losing the name because the information is not escrowed, that risk option should be the registrant's choice, not ICANN's.
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
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Danny Younger wrote:
Hi Wendy,
At least we agree that these amendments should not be blithely agreed to as a package as community members still have significant disagreements over the language of the amendments.
But we'd probably agree that this proposed language is unambiguously better than the prior agreement, which said nothing about the escrow treatment of proxy registration. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Professor, American University Washington College of Law Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
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