There is nothing stopping consumer groups from participating in At-Large, and in fact some do. The GNSO has a mandate PURELY on GTLDs and a GNSO Constituency coming into existence presumes that this group wants for focus on GTLD issues (not unreasonable given the likely emergence of many new GTLDs). The difference between At-Large and GNSO is that of focus (All of ICANN vs just GTLDs). Groups may participate in either At-Large or parts of the GNSO depending on their interested and desire for involvement. Alan At 24/09/2009 09:09 AM, Michael Maranda wrote:

It seems to me that a "constituency for consumers" would either fall under ALAC and would strengthen us, OR if we focused on the organizations that represent them, those could either be in ALAC or NCUC (i.e. they already have a place (or choice of places) if they intend to be active). Is the proposal to establish a third body entirely? if so, that does seem to water things down for all involved, and risks further confusing potential participants and even setting us further against each other.

I'm not averse to protecting our rights as consumers, but I think we ought to start from a wider frame than consumption. We the people are more integral than our consuming roles.

Regards,

MM

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:

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Bob Bruen wrote:

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I also would caution against trying to censor information just because one does not it or the source.

I wasn't intending to censor. People post links to things of interest here all the time, including items that many might not agree with. I objected to Danny's reprinting of the whole thing verbatim, giving a "you must read this" air to a piece that certainly doesn't deserve that level of attention.

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Mueller may have gone overboard with his statements, but he is still someone other people respect and like. He is not simply a "tinfoil-hat" guy, that should be dismissed.

Convince me. He was one of the founders of NCUC and must be credited for that. But he now comes across as a parent who perceives his child is in danger, flailing away with any tactic available -- no matter how crude or hurtful or false, oblivious of consequence -- to protect. Every time he puts finger to keyboard he discredits himself more (as witness by his followup replies to Cheryl).

Trouble is ... the more he flails away, the less people will believe that the child deserves protection. In Sydney I was relatively neutral about Milton, today it seems to me he's a foil wrapper away from total nutbar. And every day that the NCUC of today fails to distance itself from his words, it is associated a little bit more with his character. At this particular point in time, the NCUC can little afford such damage to its credibility.

I care about this only because I don't want to see NCUC to descend into irrelevance due to its founder's abandonment of civility. It's not in ALAC's tactical interest to have NCUC as an impotent laughing stock.

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It is better to know what one is dealing with than not. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer," Sun Tzu, Art of War.

May be, but I don't consider Milton my enemy. The vested interests, domainers, exploiters, phishers, censors and overzealous IP interests are (still) my enemies. Milton is a distraction, a nuisance. But not more than that.

- Evan

PS: Talking about censorship.... a posting I made on that thread has yet to show up on the website....

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