Re: [NA-Discuss] [ALAC] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee
Well-stated Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: JJS <jjs.global@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:42:46 To: Beau Brendler<beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com<gbruen@knujon.com>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<ocl@gih.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC Working List<alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ICANN AtLarge Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee *Congratulations, Olivier & Beau, on a timely initiative. The remark on Esther's presentation set things straight.* * * *I would like to offer a general remark, which may be worth adapting for future public messages (never mind the wording, I'm suggesting a notion, not a draft): * * * *While recognizing the historic role played by the United States of America in the construction of the Internet, we note that its pertinence in the future depends on its ability to serve and protect the general user anywhere in the world. So, whereas we follow with great attention hearings in the two legislative houses in Washington, it is the duty of the ICANN, and of the ALAC, to impress upon legislators and the executive branch in all countries that the touchstone of future Internet development is and should remain the public interest. In parallel, we wish to draw the attention of legislators in the USA to the fact that, because their conclusions and choices regarding the Internet have the potential to affect users elsewhere, US initiatives and laws should seek to be compatible with the public interest internationally.* * * *Regards,* *Jean-Jacques. * 2011/12/15 Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>
That's the Mexico City statement? Might not be a bad idea. Oliver and Heidi are really the ones who have done the heavy lifting here, and I know time is of the essence, so I leave it to them as to whether a reference of this sort can be included
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From: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> Sent: Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org, ALAC Working List < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>, Beau Brendler < beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee
Thanks. I'm concerned that this does not specifically reference ALAC's statement on the program which is the subject of the hearings.
The letter might lead with "At-Large did not (was not asked/invited?) to testify, and was not referenced by Pritz in the list of constituent groups who contribute to ICANN consensus. However, our previous current stand on the new gTLD program is/can be found..."
Comments about Dyson's statements are important to correct the record, but the message should be on point with the subject matter.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM To: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; "ALAC Working List" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: "ICANN AtLarge Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee
Dear all,
there has recently been discussion on the NARALO list, regarding hearings taking place in the US, including a hearing by the Senate Committee on Science, Energy & Transportation (held Dec 8) and a hearing by the House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee (held on Dec 14th -- i.e. today). Evan has kindly explained what these are and how they can accept comments, with clear links to the hearings. His message is included below.
Please find enclosed, a draft of the first letter from Beau Brendler, NARALO Chair and co-signed by me, Chair of the ALAC, to be sent to the Senate Committee by closing of business day today. It will be sent via two paths, to the Chair of the Committee, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller.
Since this draft letter is not a policy paper or ALAC Statement but rather a letter to tell the Senate "you wish to see end user input in ICANN, hey look, here we are", it does not require a formal vote, but it will be archived in our ALAC correspondence.
We shall also submit a similar letter to Chair of the the House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee, Congressman Fred Upton, should this be required. I understand that Kurt Pritz will be one of the witnesses providing testimony in the hearing, so we'll have to see what gets addressed at the hearing and if a completion of information is required, no doubt that Beau and I would be happy to oblige.
Kind regards,
Olivier
On 13/12/2011 06:49, Evan Leibovitch wrote :
An important point of clarification (brought to me by Amber Sterling of the NPOC earlier today) about the deadlines.
There are two different hearings
1. Senate Committee on Science Energy and Transportation <http://1.usa.gov/vzddPH> (held Dec 8) After the verbal testimony was given, the public is able to send comments to the Committee by EoB Dec 14
2. House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee
< http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9134> (to be held Dec 14) After the verbal testimony is given, the public will be able to send comments (deadline will be announced at the meeting)
So... the letter Olivier has drafted is in response to the Senate hearing (chair: John Rockefeller) and needs to be sent there before Wednesday EoB. The letter mentions Esther Dyson, who participated in the Senate hearing last week but will *not* be at the House hearing this Wednesday.
We may choose to send another, similar letter to the House committee after its testimony is heard. But the one Olivier drafted (the content of which I agree with) needs to go to Mr. Rockefeller and the Senate committee.
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Hello everybody, thank you for your suggestions. Cheryl: as this is an introductory letter, I thought a picture might distract from the main message, but there are several links to the ALAC & NARALO Web sites, so this should help. If we get enquiries for further information, I suggest we use the picture in a 2nd wave of info. Garth: At this point in time, it would be hard to point to specific policy issues such as the Mexico summit statement (apart from the fact that this is 2009 and we're pointing out the fact that Ms. Dyson's input is obsolete, but I have now added a pointer to our correspondence page, which includes all of our most recent statements, and more! JJS: point well taken, and I totally agree with it so it is to keep in mind for future messages... or even some parts of it added to the current message. (yes, they made it just in time) A version with amendments has been sent to Senator Rockefeller and I'll forward the email to the ALAC and the NARALO lists in a moment. I just wish to thank all of you for your quick response which has greatly helped in drafting a letter in such a short time. The question that now faces us, is whether, based on the discussions that took place today at the House of Representatives: <http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9134> NARALO and the ALAC should or should not send a similarly drafter letter to Congressman Fred Upton, Chairman of the Committee on Energy and Commerce? Kind regards, Olivier On 14/12/2011 21:11, gbruen@knujon.com wrote :
Well-stated Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: * JJS <jjs.global@gmail.com> *Date: *Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:42:46 +0800 *To: *Beau Brendler<beaubrendler@earthlink.net> *Cc: *Garth Bruen at Knujon.com<gbruen@knujon.com>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<ocl@gih.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC Working List<alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ICANN AtLarge Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [ALAC] [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee
/Congratulations, Olivier & Beau, on a timely initiative. The remark on Esther's presentation set things straight./ / / /I would like to offer a general remark, which may be worth adapting for future public messages (never mind the wording, I'm suggesting a notion, not a draft): / / / /While recognizing the historic role played by the United States of America in the construction of the Internet, we note that its pertinence in the future depends on its ability to serve and protect the general user anywhere in the world. So, whereas we follow with great attention hearings in the two legislative houses in Washington, it is the duty of the ICANN, and of the ALAC, to impress upon legislators and the executive branch in all countries that the touchstone of future Internet development is and should remain the public interest. In parallel, we wish to draw the attention of legislators in the USA to the fact that, because their conclusions and choices regarding the Internet have the potential to affect users elsewhere, US initiatives and laws should seek to be compatible with the public interest internationally./ / / /Regards,/ /Jean-Jacques. / 2011/12/15 Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net <mailto:beaubrendler@earthlink.net>>
That's the Mexico City statement? Might not be a bad idea. Oliver and Heidi are really the ones who have done the heavy lifting here, and I know time is of the essence, so I leave it to them as to whether a reference of this sort can be included
-----Original Message----- >From: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 12:20 PM >To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, ALAC Working List <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net <mailto:beaubrendler@earthlink.net>> >Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & CommerceCommittee > >Thanks. I'm concerned that this does not specifically reference ALAC's >statement on the program which is the subject of the hearings. > >The letter might lead with "At-Large did not (was not asked/invited?) to >testify, and was not referenced by Pritz in the list of constituent groups >who contribute to ICANN consensus. However, our previous current stand on >the new gTLD program is/can be found..." > >Comments about Dyson's statements are important to correct the record, but >the message should be on point with the subject matter. > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:00 PM >To: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; "ALAC Working List" ><alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >Cc: "ICANN AtLarge Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> >Subject: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Draft letter to House Energy & >CommerceCommittee > >> Dear all, >> >> there has recently been discussion on the NARALO list, regarding >> hearings taking place in the US, including a hearing by the Senate >> Committee on Science, Energy & Transportation (held Dec 8) and a hearing >> by the House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee (held on Dec >> 14th -- i.e. today). >> Evan has kindly explained what these are and how they can accept >> comments, with clear links to the hearings. His message is included below. >> >> Please find enclosed, a draft of the first letter from Beau Brendler, >> NARALO Chair and co-signed by me, Chair of the ALAC, to be sent to the >> Senate Committee by closing of business day today. It will be sent via >> two paths, to the Chair of the Committee, John D. (Jay) Rockefeller. >> >> Since this draft letter is not a policy paper or ALAC Statement but >> rather a letter to tell the Senate "you wish to see end user input in >> ICANN, hey look, here we are", it does not require a formal vote, but it >> will be archived in our ALAC correspondence. >> >> We shall also submit a similar letter to Chair of the the House of >> Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee, Congressman Fred Upton, >> should this be required. I understand that Kurt Pritz will be one of the >> witnesses providing testimony in the hearing, so we'll have to see what >> gets addressed at the hearing and if a completion of information is >> required, no doubt that Beau and I would be happy to oblige. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Olivier >> >> On 13/12/2011 06:49, Evan Leibovitch wrote : >>> An important point of clarification (brought to me by Amber Sterling >>> of the NPOC earlier today) about the deadlines. >>> >>> There are two different hearings >>> >>> 1. Senate Committee on Science Energy and Transportation >>> <http://1.usa.gov/vzddPH> (held Dec 8) >>> After the verbal testimony was given, the public is able to send >>> comments to the Committee by EoB Dec 14 >>> >>> 2. House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee >>> >>> <http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=9134> >>> (to be held Dec 14) >>> After the verbal testimony is given, the public will be able to >>> send comments (deadline will be announced at the meeting) >>> >>> >>> So... the letter Olivier has drafted is in response to the Senate >>> hearing (chair: John Rockefeller) and needs to be sent there before >>> Wednesday EoB. The letter mentions Esther Dyson, who participated in >>> the Senate hearing last week but will *not* be at the House hearing >>> this Wednesday. >>> >>> We may choose to send another, similar letter to the House committee >>> after its testimony is heard. But the one Olivier drafted (the content >>> of which I agree with) needs to go to Mr. Rockefeller and the Senate >>> committee. >>> >>> >>
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