Convening the NA-RALO Puerto Rico ccTLD .PR "task force"
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward! To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here: http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a... I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current information on this now, but it's a bit of background. I recommend we take the following actions: * Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know. * Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously. * Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels are to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar. Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar. Best, Beau
Let's do it! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:57 PM To: <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Convening the NA-RALO Puerto Rico ccTLD .PR "task force"
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward!
To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here: http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a...
I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current information on this now, but it's a bit of background.
I recommend we take the following actions:
* Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know.
* Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously.
* Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels are to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar.
Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar.
Best,
Beau
Agreed. If I can help escalate this, let me know. But since Eduardo is soon joining ALAC, I suspect this won't be an issue. :-) - Evan On 27 September 2011 19:23, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com>wrote:
Let's do it!
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:57 PM To: <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Convening the NA-RALO Puerto Rico ccTLD .PR "task force"
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward!
To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here:
http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a...
I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current information on this now, but it's a bit of background.
I recommend we take the following actions:
* Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know.
* Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously.
* Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels
are
to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar.
Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar.
Best,
Beau
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You might also want some interaction from what we are doing in the Framework of Interpretation WG - a ccNSO:GAC Joint WG<http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foiwg.htm> which relates to (along with other things => I have attached a copy of our WG Charter) delegation redelegation terminologies and expectations etc.,, it is early days yet but it has a clear nexus to this matter (which will I believe be meeting in Dakar) I am the ALAC liaison to this WG so let me know if you need anything from me to assist... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) On 28 September 2011 09:30, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Agreed.
If I can help escalate this, let me know. But since Eduardo is soon joining ALAC, I suspect this won't be an issue. :-)
- Evan
On 27 September 2011 19:23, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com
wrote:
Let's do it!
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:57 PM To: <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Convening the NA-RALO Puerto Rico ccTLD .PR "task force"
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward!
To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here:
http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a...
I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current
information
on this now, but it's a bit of background.
I recommend we take the following actions:
* Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know.
* Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously.
* Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels are to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar.
Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar.
Best,
Beau
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Cheryl: Just to let you know that Ms. Suzanne Sene, US rep to the GAC, knows about the .pr ccTLD issue for sometime now. I do not see her in the FOI WG member list. We (the Internet Society of Puerto Rico) brought to the attention of Ms. Sene and Vermita Harris (IANA's contract manager) in May 2010 the fact that IANA allowed the redelegation of the .pr ccTLD without the University approval. At the time we could not find any procedures to complain to IANA about its redelegation decision. Ms. Sene indicated that she was going to investigate the matter with ICANN lawyers. We did not follow-up this matter with her after that conversation and evidently nothing happen until recently that the University sued the ccTLD manager. I am attaching a letter sent by UPR to Mr. John Jefrey (ICANN General Counsel) dated June 8, 2008 as evidence that University Officials were not informed of the redelegation. So, I believe that the FOI WG should look at the .pr ccTLD case closely for it can help the FOI WG to come out with ideas on how to avoid similar situations in the future and maybe help to put in place a procedure to handle any complaint regarding any redelegation. By the way, can you enlighten me as to what it means "a framework of interpretation" withing the ICANN context? Is this part of the PDP process? Gracias. -ed On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com>wrote:
You might also want some interaction from what we are doing in the Framework of Interpretation WG - a ccNSO:GAC Joint WG<http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foiwg.htm> which relates to (along with other things => I have attached a copy of our WG Charter) delegation redelegation terminologies and expectations etc.,, it is early days yet but it has a clear nexus to this matter (which will I believe be meeting in Dakar) I am the ALAC liaison to this WG so let me know if you need anything from me to assist...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)
On 28 September 2011 09:30, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Agreed.
If I can help escalate this, let me know. But since Eduardo is soon joining ALAC, I suspect this won't be an issue. :-)
- Evan
On 27 September 2011 19:23, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com
wrote:
Let's do it!
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Beau Brendler" <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:57 PM To: <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Convening the NA-RALO Puerto Rico ccTLD .PR "task force"
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward!
To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here:
http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a...
I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current
information
on this now, but it's a bit of background.
I recommend we take the following actions:
* Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know.
* Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously.
* Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels are to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar.
Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar.
Best,
Beau
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Beau: Great! Give me a couple of days to seek out the law firm that is handling the sue to get the latest facts and to let me write something down to use as the first step towards the discussion. Also here are a couple of other articles that came out in the press. There are in Spanish but I guess you can run them through a translator and get the idea: *http://tinyurl.com/novelonpr* <http://tinyurl.com/novelon> http://tinyurl.com/articuloendi The first link is interesting since it shows a picture of the .pr ccTLD manager, Oscar Moreno, sitting next to Vint Cerf and Paul Twoney. I believe this picture was taken during the 2007 ICANN meeting in Puerto Rico when Dr. Moreno signed the accountability framework with ICANN. What an irony! Also, it is difficult not to notice the coincidence that .pr ccTLD was a diamond sponsor in the Puerto Rico meeting (http://www.icannsanjuan.pr/) and that the .pr redelegation happened the same year. -ed PS: Here is the link to the accountability framework signed by Oscar Morena and Paul Towney (www.icann.org/en/cctlds/*pr*/*pr*-icann-af-26jun07.pdf). Check out item number A.2 where ICANN recognizes that the .pr was delegated to the Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. in 2007, a corporation operating in Puerto Rico. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
Hello Eduardo, Garth, Gareth and all. This note is meant to convene the "task force" on the Puerto Rico ccTLD issue. I have cc'd the NA-RALO list in case I have missed anyone with interest, or forgottenn expressions of interest in previous calls. Please join us if you want to get involved or remind me if you want to be part of the effort going forward!
To jog memories, or if you are new to the issue...there's an article (a bit old now, and in Spanish) here:
http://www.vocero.com/puerto-rico-es/se-llevan-dominio-www-gobierno-pr-sin-a...
I have also attached a copy of the lawsuit, translated into English, courtesy of Danny Younger. Eduardo probably has more current information on this now, but it's a bit of background.
I recommend we take the following actions:
* Prepare a brief statement that the NA-RALO can make prior to Dakar. If Eduardo can point me to, or send me, a summary of the latest facts in the case I can use that. Or Eduardo and Garth might want to take a crack at writing the statement, if that's the case let me know.
* Ask Garth to put this in perspective of other research that's been done by Knujon and others on the ccTLD space, with an eye towards producing a small report or a statement to the effect that "what's going on with Puerto Rico's country-code level domain may seem unusual, but considering these other things happening with ccTLDS, it's not so unusual." That can be the basis of possibly getting some press, because we are going to need that, or at least the possibility of it, to get that community to take notice and get ICANN/IANA to take the matter seriously.
* Make a determination prior to Dakar of what the appropriate channels are to raise concerns about this, so that we can send some communication up those channels prior to Dakar.
Seems to me like those are some concrete first steps to get things started. Feel free to add or offer other ideas. I think we have an opportunity here since Garth will be joining us in Dakar.
Best,
Beau
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Beau Brendler -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Eduardo Diaz -
Evan Leibovitch -
Garth Bruen at Knujon.com