Re: [NA-Discuss] WHOIS study group...NA RALO weigh in?
Steve and all, Thank you for the notification all be it a bit bland and relitively non-informative in nature. If you don't mind, I'll be the judge if I believe any further interaction is required. That decision will largely be based upon the cleaning up of ICANN.ORG's DNS. -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> Sent: Apr 16, 2008 11:06 AM To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> Cc: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>, "Brendler,Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com>, aheineman@ntia.doc.gov Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WHOIS study group...NA RALO weigh in?
Mr. Williams,
We have received your message and are giving it appropriate attention. No further interaction is required.
Steve Crocker
On Apr 16, 2008, at 12:24 AM, Jeffrey A. Williams wrote:
Beau and all,
I think it is painfully obvious that the SSAC would far better serve the ICANN participants, and the far larger internet community, if it first cleaned up it's own DNS configuration so as not to expose us all to dangerous malware and spyware. See:http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch? domain=icann.org&token=254021463ea049153ef50b820f412019
But again, perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part. Yet hope springs eternal...
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From: "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> Sent: Apr 15, 2008 12:38 PM To: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WHOIS study group...NA RALO weigh in?
The scary thing, though, is if the policies sunset, maybe the risk is losing WHOIS data or an analogue to it, altogether? Or do you think if a public outcry were to ensue, that would encourage re-addressing the issue via a different protocol, such as the one the SSAC is looking at?
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:33 PM Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WHOIS study group...NA RALO weigh in?
My personal viewpoint, after seven years of WHOIS task forces and working groups, is that more studies will not be useful in policy development, but rather are proposed by several constituencies to justify further delay with the status quo.
I see WHOIS as a political problem at this point, not a problem of lack of facts. GNSO constituencies have been wedded to positions based on their own interests, and they're unlikely to change those positions even with new studies. So studies won't change anything in policy development. Without assurance that constituencies will change their policy recommendations if shown new facts, I don't see that registrant-fee-funded studies serve any ICANN purpose.
For that reason, I have recommended against ICANN funding any new WHOIS studies. I'd rather see pressure to reach consensus based on a sunsetting of policies that no longer command consensus.
--Wendy
Ross Rader wrote:
The problem with more study on this issue is that it is only a delaying tactic intended to preserve the status quo. The issue has been studied to death. The proposed studies will not be well bounded, nor geared towards action. They will be intentionally broad and the analysis, if any is done, will be purposely weak and obtuse.
I have no doubt that there will be many people that sign onto the notion of further studies with the best of intentions, but I strongly doubt that the results will point us in any different direction than what we've already discussed and described over the past ten years. Worse still, those that seek to abuse the privacy rights of individuals for their own gain will enjoy another few years free pass to this open database as we study the nooks and crannies of this issue even further.
/ross
Brendler, Beau wrote:
Danny Younger, Wendy Seltzer and I are in a WHOIS study group with a really tight time frame, like three weeks, before it has to report back to the GNSO council on whether further study of WHOIS is needed,
along with other issues.
I think opinions differ among the three of us in the group, which has
about a dozen members. Opinions aside, I wanted to see if the NA RALO
would like to convey either as a group or as individuals their opinions on the issues presented to the WHOIS working group.
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