Seeking Re-election to NARALO Chair
Folks, It has been a busy year and I sincerely hope I have gained your faith and trust. I would like to be re-elected as NARALO chair. I see my role principally as coordinating YOUR needs At-Large community members. I hope to enlarge our numbers, bring more NARALO members to the actual meetings, increase the power of our voice and get the results which have been promised to the community. Regardless of this, I would like to put forward a request that may seem bizarre: that no one be shy about challenging me for this post. This is how we stay honest and bring new ideas to the forum. I'm only here to make this work, so if someone else can make it work better, let it be so. -Garth ------------------------------------- Garth Bruen gbruen@knujon.com
On 6/4/13 8:47 AM, Garth Bruen wrote: ...
... I would like to be re-elected as NARALO chair. ... ...
Mr. Chairman, In what capacity are you asserting your eligibility to be a candidate? As an Unaffiliated Individual member? As a member of a currently certified ALS? In some other capacity? Thank you for your response, Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
Mr. Chairman, Earlier I asked:
In what capacity are you asserting your eligibility to be a candidate?
Pending a response, and assuming that your response will be that you are advancing an eligibility based upon an offer of membership in a currently certified ALS, and further assuming that the ALS to which you make this offer is "KnuJon" (ALAC ALS ID 122), I have some additional questions relating only to eligibility, not to past performance or offers of future performance. Application 122 lists a Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation by the name of "KnujOn.com LLC", and a Vermont S-Corporation by the name of "ColdRain Technology" as the "organization" of record. It further states that the "organization" is "primarily made up of two persons", and then names two persons. The Secretary of the Commonwealth, Corporations Division, in a Certificate of filed on 11/08/2011 names the same two persons as managers of the Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation. In a further filing of 04/19/2011 the Corporations Division indicates that a "Dissolution by Court Order or by the SOC" exists. The filing number for the dissolution is 201142335630. The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division, has on file an incorporation of a Vermont corporation by the name of Knujon Org, Inc., incorporated on 08/12/2010, with ROBERT BRUEN as the registered agent and six listed officers: 1. ROBERTG BRUEN 2. no-name-given 3. VIRGINIA SECCO 4. ROBERT BRUEN 5. DR. ROBERT BRUEN 6. DR. GINA VEGA 7. TEVA REGULE The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division contains no other record relating to a Robert Bruen, and no record relating to a Graeth Bruen. Question 1. What is the status of the Vermont S-Corporation listed in application 122? Question 2. For the purposes of association with the "Knujon" ALS, is the Vermont "Knujon Org, Inc." the successor in interest of the dissolved Massachusetts LLC "Knujon.com LLC"? I may have a few follow-up questions depending on the answers offered. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
Hi Eric, Knujon Org is my non-profit organization registered in Vermont. It is a separate entity from KnujOn.com LLC. I also own Cold Rain Technologies, another independent entity. Garth is not part of either one of these. I was part of the original filing for KnujOn.com, but when I created the non-profit, I was required to remove myself from KnujOn.com, which is what you saw. There is nothing nefarious in any of this. All steps were in accordance with the appropriate laws, in spite of your sad attempts to show otherwise. --Bob Bruen On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
Mr. Chairman, Earlier I asked:
In what capacity are you asserting your eligibility to be a candidate?
Pending a response, and assuming that your response will be that you are advancing an eligibility based upon an offer of membership in a currently certified ALS, and further assuming that the ALS to which you make this offer is "KnuJon" (ALAC ALS ID 122), I have some additional questions relating only to eligibility, not to past performance or offers of future performance.
Application 122 lists a Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation by the name of "KnujOn.com LLC", and a Vermont S-Corporation by the name of "ColdRain Technology" as the "organization" of record.
It further states that the "organization" is "primarily made up of two persons", and then names two persons.
The Secretary of the Commonwealth, Corporations Division, in a Certificate of filed on 11/08/2011 names the same two persons as managers of the Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation. In a further filing of 04/19/2011 the Corporations Division indicates that a "Dissolution by Court Order or by the SOC" exists. The filing number for the dissolution is 201142335630.
The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division, has on file an incorporation of a Vermont corporation by the name of Knujon Org, Inc., incorporated on 08/12/2010, with ROBERT BRUEN as the registered agent and six listed officers: 1. ROBERTG BRUEN 2. no-name-given 3. VIRGINIA SECCO 4. ROBERT BRUEN 5. DR. ROBERT BRUEN 6. DR. GINA VEGA 7. TEVA REGULE
The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division contains no other record relating to a Robert Bruen, and no record relating to a Graeth Bruen.
Question 1. What is the status of the Vermont S-Corporation listed in application 122?
Question 2. For the purposes of association with the "Knujon" ALS, is the Vermont "Knujon Org, Inc." the successor in interest of the dissolved Massachusetts LLC "Knujon.com LLC"?
I may have a few follow-up questions depending on the answers offered.
Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
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Bob, I've no doubt that "all steps were in accordance with the appropriate laws", but the MoU creating a NARALO and stating the responsibilities of parties entering into an agreement did not exclusively rely upon the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the State of Vermont concerning corporate filings -- in fact, these aren't even mentioned. The point here is to accurately state what an ALS is. The question remains, what is the successor in interest to the status of ALS #122? Is it the 2010 Vermont incorporation, or something else? You could clear up two details, are the various ROBERT BRUENs (corporate officers #1, #4, and #5) one person or more than one person, and as the Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division contains no other record relating to a Robert Bruen, in what jurisdiction does a filing for Cold Rain Technologies exist? Your ownership of Cold Rain Technologies is noted. I may have a few follow-up questions depending on the answers offered. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
Hi Eric, One more time, please pay attention. KnujOn.com is the ALS. KnujOn Org and Cold Rain Technologies are each a separate entity from KnujOn.com with no reason to be involved in these discussions. You are not entitled to ask questions nor get answers regarding my personal business, especially in this forum, which has important issues under consideration and does not need any distractions. regards, bob On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
Bob,
I've no doubt that "all steps were in accordance with the appropriate laws", but the MoU creating a NARALO and stating the responsibilities of parties entering into an agreement did not exclusively rely upon the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the State of Vermont concerning corporate filings -- in fact, these aren't even mentioned.
The point here is to accurately state what an ALS is.
The question remains, what is the successor in interest to the status of ALS #122? Is it the 2010 Vermont incorporation, or something else?
You could clear up two details, are the various ROBERT BRUENs (corporate officers #1, #4, and #5) one person or more than one person, and as the Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division contains no other record relating to a Robert Bruen, in what jurisdiction does a filing for Cold Rain Technologies exist?
Your ownership of Cold Rain Technologies is noted.
I may have a few follow-up questions depending on the answers offered.
Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
-- Dr. Robert Bruen Cold Rain Labs http://coldrain.net/bruen +1.802.579.6288
On 6/4/13 12:59 PM, Bob Bruen wrote:
One more time, please pay attention. KnujOn.com is the ALS.
KnujOn Org and Cold Rain Technologies are each a separate entity from KnujOn.com with no reason to be involved in these discussions.
Thank you for the clarification.
You are not entitled to ask questions nor get answers regarding my personal business, especially in this forum, which has important issues under consideration and does not need any distractions.
I completely agree that anyone's private enterprise is irrelevant to the question of the certification capacity of an applicant for ALS status, or an entity currently enjoying that status. I have no further questions for you. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon
Hi Eric, All fair questions. The issue of the Commonwealth certificate is one of unfortunate government bureaucracy. The certificate was renewed but not updated, this has been in the hands of my lawyer for months. The Commonwealth demands $500 a year for this certificate and offers absolutely no service in return. This $500 which comes out of our modest budget which would be much better spent on other activities, hence the Vermont organization. Once again, this may be another victim of government bureaucracy since " ROBERTG BRUEN" or " no-name-given" was probably supposed to be me in the document. This Vermont entity is our non-profit foundation which is completely donation-based and serves the Internet user at large on policy consultation completely free of charge. However, instead of simply taking my word for it I would suggest you contact the document members (one of whom is on this list) and ask them who they put forward for representing the organization to ICANN NARALO. Thanks, Garth -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Eric Brunner-Williams Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 3:11 PM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Seeking Re-election to NARALO Chair Mr. Chairman, Earlier I asked:
In what capacity are you asserting your eligibility to be a candidate?
Pending a response, and assuming that your response will be that you are advancing an eligibility based upon an offer of membership in a currently certified ALS, and further assuming that the ALS to which you make this offer is "KnuJon" (ALAC ALS ID 122), I have some additional questions relating only to eligibility, not to past performance or offers of future performance. Application 122 lists a Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation by the name of "KnujOn.com LLC", and a Vermont S-Corporation by the name of "ColdRain Technology" as the "organization" of record. It further states that the "organization" is "primarily made up of two persons", and then names two persons. The Secretary of the Commonwealth, Corporations Division, in a Certificate of filed on 11/08/2011 names the same two persons as managers of the Massachusetts Limited Liability Corporation. In a further filing of 04/19/2011 the Corporations Division indicates that a "Dissolution by Court Order or by the SOC" exists. The filing number for the dissolution is 201142335630. The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division, has on file an incorporation of a Vermont corporation by the name of Knujon Org, Inc., incorporated on 08/12/2010, with ROBERT BRUEN as the registered agent and six listed officers: 1. ROBERTG BRUEN 2. no-name-given 3. VIRGINIA SECCO 4. ROBERT BRUEN 5. DR. ROBERT BRUEN 6. DR. GINA VEGA 7. TEVA REGULE The Secretary of State of Vermont, Corporations Division contains no other record relating to a Robert Bruen, and no record relating to a Graeth Bruen. Question 1. What is the status of the Vermont S-Corporation listed in application 122? Question 2. For the purposes of association with the "Knujon" ALS, is the Vermont "Knujon Org, Inc." the successor in interest of the dissolved Massachusetts LLC "Knujon.com LLC"? I may have a few follow-up questions depending on the answers offered. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Notwithstanding your request, Garth, I happily endorse/second your nomination and encourage NARALO to return you for another term. - Evan On 4 June 2013 11:47, Garth Bruen <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
Folks,
It has been a busy year and I sincerely hope I have gained your faith and trust. I would like to be re-elected as NARALO chair. I see my role principally as coordinating YOUR needs At-Large community members. I hope to enlarge our numbers, bring more NARALO members to the actual meetings, increase the power of our voice and get the results which have been promised to the community.
Regardless of this, I would like to put forward a request that may seem bizarre: that no one be shy about challenging me for this post. This is how we stay honest and bring new ideas to the forum. I'm only here to make this work, so if someone else can make it work better, let it be so.
-Garth
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Garth Bruen gbruen@knujon.com
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+1 - second that again! -ed On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
Notwithstanding your request, Garth, I happily endorse/second your nomination and encourage NARALO to return you for another term.
- Evan
On 4 June 2013 11:47, Garth Bruen <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
Folks,
It has been a busy year and I sincerely hope I have gained your faith and trust. I would like to be re-elected as NARALO chair. I see my role principally as coordinating YOUR needs At-Large community members. I hope to enlarge our numbers, bring more NARALO members to the actual meetings, increase the power of our voice and get the results which have been promised to the community.
Regardless of this, I would like to put forward a request that may seem bizarre: that no one be shy about challenging me for this post. This is how we stay honest and bring new ideas to the forum. I'm only here to make this work, so if someone else can make it work better, let it be so.
-Garth
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Garth Bruen gbruen@knujon.com
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