.nyc contract hearing friday 3/23 in Brooklyn
I will record this. j ** [image: dot nyc notice]<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/late-notice.png>A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn. *Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing* Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following: In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001. *10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management <http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902> * * Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments> *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
On 22 March 2012 15:10, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn.
Looks like all of Thomas Lowenhaupt's multiple years of hard work advocating for a community-focused .nyc TLD for may turn out to have been blazing a rugged, obstacle-clearing trail through which Neustar may now drive its HumVee. Thomas, I feel for ya. I was a vocal skeptic of your proposal but am even more critical of a direct government-Neustar registry (both in process and likely substance). I didn't expect that your project would seek out defensive domains but I can feel fairly confident that a pure generic play would consider defencives as part of their revenue mix. Personally, I've delighted that so few geoTLD proposals have come from North America. I expect .québec for historical reasons (much conceptually in common with .cat), and I consider the current plays for .nyc and .vegas to be almost defensive TLDs themselves, given those cities' own branding efforts.. The other two listed at http://www.citytld.com/ (for Ottawa and San Francisco) appear dead Most of the others are proposed for Europe. What a massive waste of money and time. I feel truly sorry for all the small businesses that will be compelled to register defensively for those that roll out. Maybe there are so few North American ones because people here already see what a bust ".us" is and figure that almost all the incumbents are Amercian anyway. But I'll appreciate the sanity wherever I can find it. - Evan
*Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing*
Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following:
In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001.
*10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management <http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902>
* *
Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments>
*Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Acquisition of .nyc is one of the defined waystations on Bloomberg's Digital Roadmap <http://www.nyc.gov/html/mome/digital/html/roadmap/roadmap.shtml>. I think the Neustar humvee may yet hit a few speedbumps on the journey. Apart from all the reserved neighborhood names in the RFP, the result of Tom's hard work, Council Member Gale Brewer, who pushed NYC's recent open data legislation, and DoITT Commissioner Carole Post, who architected same, are both very much dedicated to IT serving the public interest. We are promised plenty of public input into the eventual application of the TLD. j On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
On 22 March 2012 15:10, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn.
Looks like all of Thomas Lowenhaupt's multiple years of hard work advocating for a community-focused .nyc TLD for may turn out to have been blazing a rugged, obstacle-clearing trail through which Neustar may now drive its HumVee.
Thomas, I feel for ya. I was a vocal skeptic of your proposal but am even more critical of a direct government-Neustar registry (both in process and likely substance). I didn't expect that your project would seek out defensive domains but I can feel fairly confident that a pure generic play would consider defencives as part of their revenue mix.
Personally, I've delighted that so few geoTLD proposals have come from North America. I expect .québec for historical reasons (much conceptually in common with .cat), and I consider the current plays for .nyc and .vegas to be almost defensive TLDs themselves, given those cities' own branding efforts.. The other two listed at http://www.citytld.com/ (for Ottawa and San Francisco) appear dead
Most of the others are proposed for Europe. What a massive waste of money and time. I feel truly sorry for all the small businesses that will be compelled to register defensively for those that roll out.
Maybe there are so few North American ones because people here already see what a bust ".us" is and figure that almost all the incumbents are Amercian anyway. But I'll appreciate the sanity wherever I can find it.
- Evan
*Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing*
Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following:
In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001.
*10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management <http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902
* *
Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments>
*Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Evan, Your concerns are heart warming. New York City might be headed off a cliff with its application. The "public hearing" Joly announced about a NeuStar ~ New York City arrangement concerned a contract that is incomplete and therefore not available to the public - see http://blog.connectingnyc.org (don't care about the issue - see my friends BloomBORG for a giggle). Moving forward, I hope to find segments of the Internet community that will join me in developing a plan / guidelines that will assist cities navigating the shark infested registry-registrar waters, creating best practices, and effectively governing their TLDs. I'll be announcing that early next week. In the meantime, in preparing my comments for the faux-public hearing <http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/comments-to-doitt-on-pro...>, I'm getting closer to answering your "What's so important about city-TLDs?" question. It might be too late to help my home city, and I'm not 100% there yet, but I hope the below begins to turn up the volume so that people will begin to hear the music to which I dance. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From my comments to the faux-hearing <http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/comments-to-doitt-on-pro...>: What is a City-TLD? 3 Views * Let's think back to the early 1800's when work began on what's now called the Commissioners Plan of 1811. The Plan set out the city's street grid - 1st to 155th Streets and 1st to 12th Avenues. It took 4 years and even then they left out a few parts – like Central Park. And late in the process they said “Let's put in Lexington Avenue.” Not by name mind you – but conceptually. The Commissioners' Plan wasn't about names. And this city-TLD is not, in its essence, about names. Names are part of both. But the core elements are structure, order, and accountability. * My view is that a .nyc is a scaffold for our culture and our treasures. Think for a second about the New York Yankees. Yes, all the star players have names. But its the combination of players, coaches, trainers, owners, fans, and concessionaires selling hotdogs and beer that make the New York Yankees a success. Each and every person in this list of what might be called the “Yankees Network” has a name. But it's an effective organizational structure and culture that makes the Yankees win. From my perspective our city's TLD is a culture making tool. A scaffold for organizing our resources. * Let me tell you another view, one I'll call The Grand View (I'm thankful to David Bollier's /Viral Spiral/ <http://bollier.org/> for this.) – It involves the legendary Adam Smith. Everyone is familiar with the impact of his /The Wealth of Nations. /To some this 1776 economics treaties is their constitution and bible. In it Smith wrote about people's penchant for what he called “truck, barter, and exchange” - markets and capitalism. Today his thoughts serve as a basis for our global economy. In another work, /The Theory of Moral Sentiments, /Smith wrote about “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” that included the most important of human traits – sharing, loving, caring, sympathy, empathy. The Grand View holds that the .nyc TLD is a organizing force for digitizing these most important human impulses. At first glance, to an old timer like me, this sounded like crazy talk. But when I look at developments like Wikipedia and the Open Source movement, I see Smith's “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” played out on a daily basis. Projects like these are all about people sharing to help one another. So 250 years later Adam Smith's sympathetic half may reach fruition through Internet resources like the .nyc TLD. Because now we have a tool to more effectively identify, count, track, and value the good. Imagine our city with a 1,000 Wikipedia scale projects. Efforts like: * JacksonHeights.nyc * GreenwichVillage.nyc * Harlem.nyc * Voters.nyc * CivicIssues.nyc * CandidatesForMayor.nyc So what's a city-TLD? It's a powerful planning and organizing tool that can improve our city and our lives during the foreseeable future. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 3/22/2012 4:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On 22 March 2012 15:10, Joly MacFie<joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn.
Looks like all of Thomas Lowenhaupt's multiple years of hard work advocating for a community-focused .nyc TLD for may turn out to have been blazing a rugged, obstacle-clearing trail through which Neustar may now drive its HumVee.
Thomas, I feel for ya. I was a vocal skeptic of your proposal but am even more critical of a direct government-Neustar registry (both in process and likely substance). I didn't expect that your project would seek out defensive domains but I can feel fairly confident that a pure generic play would consider defencives as part of their revenue mix.
Personally, I've delighted that so few geoTLD proposals have come from North America. I expect .québec for historical reasons (much conceptually in common with .cat), and I consider the current plays for .nyc and .vegas to be almost defensive TLDs themselves, given those cities' own branding efforts.. The other two listed at http://www.citytld.com/ (for Ottawa and San Francisco) appear dead
Most of the others are proposed for Europe. What a massive waste of money and time. I feel truly sorry for all the small businesses that will be compelled to register defensively for those that roll out.
Maybe there are so few North American ones because people here already see what a bust ".us" is and figure that almost all the incumbents are Amercian anyway. But I'll appreciate the sanity wherever I can find it.
- Evan
*Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing*
Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following:
In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001.
*10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management<http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902>
* *
Comment<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments>
*Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
While I support you in principle Tom, I did think at the hearing that your comments, rushed as they were in the three minutes available, were a little too philosophical when what was needed was sharp bullet points about shortcomings in the contract and process. I thought Gale Brewer did a fair job of this which is why I have posted the video of her testimony. http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117&cpage=1#comment-8232 I will process the rest of the hearing so your comments can be seen and heard. My limited understanding, from a cursory viewing of the contract, * the City itself is nominally the applicant, but that Neustar will do the applying and pay the fees. * Neustar will pay the City something along the lines of 40% of revenue (gross? unclear) * there will be nexus requirements, and domains will be revocable if found not in compliance. * the city will spot check 50 domains a year for compliance. * there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the City will act as registrar. j On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml@communisphere.com> wrote:
Evan,
Your concerns are heart warming.
New York City might be headed off a cliff with its application. The "public hearing" Joly announced about a NeuStar ~ New York City arrangement concerned a contract that is incomplete and therefore not available to the public - see http://blog.connectingnyc.org (don't care about the issue - see my friends BloomBORG for a giggle).
Moving forward, I hope to find segments of the Internet community that will join me in developing a plan / guidelines that will assist cities navigating the shark infested registry-registrar waters, creating best practices, and effectively governing their TLDs. I'll be announcing that early next week.
In the meantime, in preparing my comments for the faux-public hearing, I'm getting closer to answering your "What's so important about city-TLDs?" question. It might be too late to help my home city, and I'm not 100% there yet, but I hope the below begins to turn up the volume so that people will begin to hear the music to which I dance.
Best,
Tom Lowenhaupt
________________________________ From my comments to the faux-hearing:
What is a City-TLD? 3 Views
Let's think back to the early 1800's when work began on what's now called the Commissioners Plan of 1811. The Plan set out the city's street grid - 1st to 155th Streets and 1st to 12th Avenues. It took 4 years and even then they left out a few parts – like Central Park. And late in the process they said “Let's put in Lexington Avenue.” Not by name mind you – but conceptually. The Commissioners' Plan wasn't about names. And this city-TLD is not, in its essence, about names. Names are part of both. But the core elements are structure, order, and accountability.
My view is that a .nyc is a scaffold for our culture and our treasures. Think for a second about the New York Yankees. Yes, all the star players have names. But its the combination of players, coaches, trainers, owners, fans, and concessionaires selling hotdogs and beer that make the New York Yankees a success. Each and every person in this list of what might be called the “Yankees Network” has a name. But it's an effective organizational structure and culture that makes the Yankees win. From my perspective our city's TLD is a culture making tool. A scaffold for organizing our resources.
Let me tell you another view, one I'll call The Grand View (I'm thankful to David Bollier's Viral Spiral for this.) – It involves the legendary Adam Smith. Everyone is familiar with the impact of his The Wealth of Nations. To some this 1776 economics treaties is their constitution and bible. In it Smith wrote about people's penchant for what he called “truck, barter, and exchange” - markets and capitalism. Today his thoughts serve as a basis for our global economy.
In another work, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Smith wrote about “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” that included the most important of human traits – sharing, loving, caring, sympathy, empathy. The Grand View holds that the .nyc TLD is a organizing force for digitizing these most important human impulses. At first glance, to an old timer like me, this sounded like crazy talk. But when I look at developments like Wikipedia and the Open Source movement, I see Smith's “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” played out on a daily basis. Projects like these are all about people sharing to help one another.
So 250 years later Adam Smith's sympathetic half may reach fruition through Internet resources like the .nyc TLD. Because now we have a tool to more effectively identify, count, track, and value the good.
Imagine our city with a 1,000 Wikipedia scale projects. Efforts like:
JacksonHeights.nyc
GreenwichVillage.nyc
Harlem.nyc
Voters.nyc
CivicIssues.nyc
CandidatesForMayor.nyc
So what's a city-TLD? It's a powerful planning and organizing tool that can improve our city and our lives during the foreseeable future.
________________________________
On 3/22/2012 4:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On 22 March 2012 15:10, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn.
Looks like all of Thomas Lowenhaupt's multiple years of hard work advocating for a community-focused .nyc TLD for may turn out to have been blazing a rugged, obstacle-clearing trail through which Neustar may now drive its HumVee.
Thomas, I feel for ya. I was a vocal skeptic of your proposal but am even more critical of a direct government-Neustar registry (both in process and likely substance). I didn't expect that your project would seek out defensive domains but I can feel fairly confident that a pure generic play would consider defencives as part of their revenue mix.
Personally, I've delighted that so few geoTLD proposals have come from North America. I expect .québec for historical reasons (much conceptually in common with .cat), and I consider the current plays for .nyc and .vegas to be almost defensive TLDs themselves, given those cities' own branding efforts.. The other two listed at http://www.citytld.com/ (for Ottawa and San Francisco) appear dead
Most of the others are proposed for Europe. What a massive waste of money and time. I feel truly sorry for all the small businesses that will be compelled to register defensively for those that roll out.
Maybe there are so few North American ones because people here already see what a bust ".us" is and figure that almost all the incumbents are Amercian anyway. But I'll appreciate the sanity wherever I can find it.
- Evan
*Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing*
Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following:
In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001.
*10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management <http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902>
* *
Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments>
*Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
On 26 Mar 2012, at 19:47, Avri Doria wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 13:35, Joly MacFie wrote:
* there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the City will act as registrar.
NYC is gong to become a RAA registrar?
Maybe registrant? (though they could become a registrar .. )
avri ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
If I read it correctly there was specific language in the contract that said NYC would be able to act as a registrar at thesame wholesale rate as everyone else. Presumably indeed they would be subject to to the RAA. How are the dotbrands dealing with this? j On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight < michele@blacknight.ie> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 19:47, Avri Doria wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 13:35, Joly MacFie wrote:
* there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the City will act as registrar.
NYC is gong to become a RAA registrar?
Maybe registrant?
(though they could become a registrar .. )
avri ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Joly If they're to become a registrar then not only would they be subject to the RAA but they'd also have to meet the accreditation criteria, which *might* be an issue for a city, as it can only apply to a corporate body. I *think* that some .brand applicants are going to outsource the registrar function, but that's going only on what I'm hearing on the grapevine. I'd assume that any brand that's interested in getting its own TLD already has a relationship with a registrar.. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ From: joly.nyc@gmail.com [joly.nyc@gmail.com] on behalf of Joly MacFie [joly@punkcast.com] Sent: 26 March 2012 20:22 To: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight Cc: Avri Doria; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Concerning the NeuStar ~ New York City "public hearing" If I read it correctly there was specific language in the contract that said NYC would be able to act as a registrar at thesame wholesale rate as everyone else. Presumably indeed they would be subject to to the RAA. How are the dotbrands dealing with this? j On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight <michele@blacknight.ie<mailto:michele@blacknight.ie>> wrote: On 26 Mar 2012, at 19:47, Avri Doria wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 13:35, Joly MacFie wrote:
* there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the City will act as registrar.
NYC is gong to become a RAA registrar?
Maybe registrant? (though they could become a registrar .. )
avri ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072> US: 213-233-1612<tel:213-233-1612> UK: 0844 484 9361 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763<tel:%2B353%20%280%29%201%204811%20763> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------ -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Perhaps I misread it, possibly it means the city gets to purchase 2nd levels at the wholesale, rather than retail rate. j On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight < michele@blacknight.ie> wrote:
Joly
If they're to become a registrar then not only would they be subject to the RAA but they'd also have to meet the accreditation criteria, which *might* be an issue for a city, as it can only apply to a corporate body.
I *think* that some .brand applicants are going to outsource the registrar function, but that's going only on what I'm hearing on the grapevine. I'd assume that any brand that's interested in getting its own TLD already has a relationship with a registrar..
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel/
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ------------------------------ *From:* joly.nyc@gmail.com [joly.nyc@gmail.com] on behalf of Joly MacFie [ joly@punkcast.com] *Sent:* 26 March 2012 20:22 *To:* Michele Neylon :: Blacknight *Cc:* Avri Doria; NA Discuss *Subject:* Re: [NA-Discuss] Concerning the NeuStar ~ New York City "public hearing"
If I read it correctly there was specific language in the contract that said NYC would be able to act as a registrar at thesame wholesale rate as everyone else. Presumably indeed they would be subject to to the RAA.
How are the dotbrands dealing with this?
j
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight < michele@blacknight.ie> wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 19:47, Avri Doria wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 13:35, Joly MacFie wrote:
* there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the
City
will act as registrar.
NYC is gong to become a RAA registrar?
Maybe registrant?
(though they could become a registrar .. )
avri ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072> US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
Joly, I've posted my notes from my Thursday morning opportunity to view the proposed NeuStar contract here. <http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/blog/2012/03/23/first-ve...> They are quite incomplete. And that's really a sorry state of affairs, because your notes and mine are the totality of reporting on the portions of the contract that were made available to us. (As I've noted in the sidebar of the written comments page, the meat of he contract is not yet complete). The viewing period is over and the city has said "Sorry folks, you missed it." That lack of transparency is my note #1. And the only one that counts. No transparency no contract. (At least that's my view.) It's really quite amazing, sickening really. It's against the law in the city to sell a pair of sneakers with a purchasing contract as opaque as NeuStar's. But they'll get 15 years of revenue from our TLD, and we can't see the contract. Astounding. Gale was as usual most clear. Thanks for getting her statement online. Her comments would have been far more interesting had she been able to see the contract. My 3-minutes of comments are probably best left on the cutting room floor - was I foaming at the mouth? The written ones <http://www.coactivate.org/projects/campaign-for.nyc/comments-to-doitt-on-pro...> make a few important points. At the hearing the one point I was trying to make was that DoITT should have been the last part of the acquisition process, not the one and only. Research, public education and outreach, city council hearings, and perhaps legislation preceding an IT purchasing process. But I wasn't able to convince anyone here on NA Discuss that a city-TLD was more significant than .banjo, and it's beginning to look not in the city either. Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 3/26/2012 1:35 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
While I support you in principle Tom, I did think at the hearing that your comments, rushed as they were in the three minutes available, were a little too philosophical when what was needed was sharp bullet points about shortcomings in the contract and process.
I thought Gale Brewer did a fair job of this which is why I have posted the video of her testimony. http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117&cpage=1#comment-8232 <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117&cpage=1#comment-8232>
I will process the rest of the hearing so your comments can be seen and heard.
My limited understanding, from a cursory viewing of the contract,
* the City itself is nominally the applicant, but that Neustar will do the applying and pay the fees. * Neustar will pay the City something along the lines of 40% of revenue (gross? unclear) * there will be nexus requirements, and domains will be revocable if found not in compliance. * the city will spot check 50 domains a year for compliance. * there will be reserved names - as yet undetermined, for which the City will act as registrar.
j
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml@communisphere.com <mailto:toml@communisphere.com>> wrote:
Evan,
Your concerns are heart warming.
New York City might be headed off a cliff with its application. The "public hearing" Joly announced about a NeuStar ~ New York City arrangement concerned a contract that is incomplete and therefore not available to the public - see http://blog.connectingnyc.org (don't care about the issue - see my friends BloomBORG for a giggle).
Moving forward, I hope to find segments of the Internet community that will join me in developing a plan / guidelines that will assist cities navigating the shark infested registry-registrar waters, creating best practices, and effectively governing their TLDs. I'll be announcing that early next week.
In the meantime, in preparing my comments for the faux-public hearing, I'm getting closer to answering your "What's so important about city-TLDs?" question. It might be too late to help my home city, and I'm not 100% there yet, but I hope the below begins to turn up the volume so that people will begin to hear the music to which I dance.
Best,
Tom Lowenhaupt
________________________________ From my comments to the faux-hearing:
What is a City-TLD? 3 Views
Let's think back to the early 1800's when work began on what's now called the Commissioners Plan of 1811. The Plan set out the city's street grid - 1st to 155th Streets and 1st to 12th Avenues. It took 4 years and even then they left out a few parts – like Central Park. And late in the process they said “Let's put in Lexington Avenue.” Not by name mind you – but conceptually. The Commissioners' Plan wasn't about names. And this city-TLD is not, in its essence, about names. Names are part of both. But the core elements are structure, order, and accountability.
My view is that a .nyc is a scaffold for our culture and our treasures. Think for a second about the New York Yankees. Yes, all the star players have names. But its the combination of players, coaches, trainers, owners, fans, and concessionaires selling hotdogs and beer that make the New York Yankees a success. Each and every person in this list of what might be called the “Yankees Network” has a name. But it's an effective organizational structure and culture that makes the Yankees win. From my perspective our city's TLD is a culture making tool. A scaffold for organizing our resources.
Let me tell you another view, one I'll call The Grand View (I'm thankful to David Bollier's Viral Spiral for this.) – It involves the legendary Adam Smith. Everyone is familiar with the impact of his The Wealth of Nations. To some this 1776 economics treaties is their constitution and bible. In it Smith wrote about people's penchant for what he called “truck, barter, and exchange” - markets and capitalism. Today his thoughts serve as a basis for our global economy.
In another work, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Smith wrote about “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” that included the most important of human traits – sharing, loving, caring, sympathy, empathy. The Grand View holds that the .nyc TLD is a organizing force for digitizing these most important human impulses. At first glance, to an old timer like me, this sounded like crazy talk. But when I look at developments like Wikipedia and the Open Source movement, I see Smith's “deep impulses of human sympathy and morality” played out on a daily basis. Projects like these are all about people sharing to help one another.
So 250 years later Adam Smith's sympathetic half may reach fruition through Internet resources like the .nyc TLD. Because now we have a tool to more effectively identify, count, track, and value the good.
Imagine our city with a 1,000 Wikipedia scale projects. Efforts like:
JacksonHeights.nyc
GreenwichVillage.nyc
Harlem.nyc
Voters.nyc
CivicIssues.nyc
CandidatesForMayor.nyc
So what's a city-TLD? It's a powerful planning and organizing tool that can improve our city and our lives during the foreseeable future.
________________________________
On 3/22/2012 4:45 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
On 22 March 2012 15:10, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com <mailto:joly@punkcast.com>> wrote:
A public hearing on NYC's allocation of the .nyc contract to Neustar will be held tomorrow, Friday, in Brooklyn.
Looks like all of Thomas Lowenhaupt's multiple years of hard work advocating for a community-focused .nyc TLD for may turn out to have been blazing a rugged, obstacle-clearing trail through which Neustar may now drive its HumVee.
Thomas, I feel for ya. I was a vocal skeptic of your proposal but am even more critical of a direct government-Neustar registry (both in process and likely substance). I didn't expect that your project would seek out defensive domains but I can feel fairly confident that a pure generic play would consider defencives as part of their revenue mix.
Personally, I've delighted that so few geoTLD proposals have come from North America. I expect .québec for historical reasons (much conceptually in common with .cat), and I consider the current plays for .nyc and .vegas to be almost defensive TLDs themselves, given those cities' own branding efforts.. The other two listed at http://www.citytld.com/ (for Ottawa and San Francisco) appear dead
Most of the others are proposed for Europe. What a massive waste of money and time. I feel truly sorry for all the small businesses that will be compelled to register defensively for those that roll out.
Maybe there are so few North American ones because people here already see what a bust ".us" is and figure that almost all the incumbents are Amercian anyway. But I'll appreciate the sanity wherever I can find it.
- Evan
*Information Technology and Telecommunications Public Hearing*
Notice is hereby given that a Contract Public Hearing will be held on Friday, March 23, 2012 at DoITT, 2 MetroTech Center, 4th Floor, Brooklyn NY 11209, commencing at 2:00 P.M. on the following:
In the matter of a proposed contract between the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications and Neustar located at 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166, to apply for, and if obtained, operate, administer, manage and market nyc. The term of the contract shall be for five (5) years with two (2) five (5) year renewal options at the City’s discretion. The contract is a Revenue contract, PIN: 85812P0001.
*10/5/2009 City issues RFP for .nyc management <http://isoc-ny.org/?p=902>
* *
Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#respond> See all comments<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117#comments>
*Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://isoc-ny.org/p2/?p=3117
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
participants (5)
-
Avri Doria -
Evan Leibovitch -
Joly MacFie -
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight -
Thomas Lowenhaupt