FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi all, Actually, Garth Bruen did reply and stated that although he was on the slate, too, he would oppose this. Why aren't we campaigning for Garth? He is excellent, too. This is why I *personally* think that we should allow the process to continue and assume that the BCEC did its job. Elsewise, it comes down to personalities and who we all like. I like Avri very much and think she would do an excellent job but there were other people on the slate that I thought just as qualified. This is just my opinion but it is also why I would be against this. I am not going to go second guessing the very qualified people on the BCEC. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [evan@telly.org] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:58 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates On 1 November 2010 17:05, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones.
Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it?
Some are opposed to a specific petition (for Avri). Others are against having a petition at all (ie, the BCEC did its job and we trust its people that did what they were asked to do). The implication is that, since the BCEC _could_ have put more than three candidates on the ballot, it must have had sufficient reason to limit the final cut to the three that it did. That's as much of a generalization as I feel comfortable doing. As for the reasons why these comments were made privately, I can only speculate that it's because we're talking about people rather than policies ... and some NARALO members commenting may believe that they could be treated differently by their peers for speaking their opinions honestly. It's not for me to judge if those beliefs are warranted. Those people have, for certain, read the calls here for open debate. It is their call how they choose to proceed. I am simply noting the fact that, unusually for NARALO, we have a significant divide. I myself am genuinely undecided. I like Avri personally and professionally, I work with her on committees and greatly appreciate what she brings to end-user advocacy. I also trust the judgments of the people on the BCEC, including NARALO's two representatives. I know they had a very difficult task, and I am confident that a suitable advocate for Internet end-users can be elected from amongst the three people that the BCEC *did* submit. At this point I am more concerned about the campaign becoming a Jerry Springer episode on a global stage than I am about sending an unqualified person to the position. Right now the only thing of which I am certain is that I am thoroughly exhausted by this whole process, long before the vote takes place. - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Hi Darlene, I think there is a little confusion here. I (Bob -> Garth's dad) was on the slate and was not chosen for the final three. I said that I think we should move on because, although I want to see it done correctly, I do not want to see the seating of an ALAC rep delayed. I did not say I would be opposed Avri being considered. That had not come up when I wrote the original email. We should be able to trust the committee, but at the same time, the committee should be able to explain and justify whatever they have done. This is not a criticism. I like to think that I can explain the basis for decisions I make, without feeling like a target. I expect the same of everyone else (I am often disappointed). When one makes decisions, one should think them through, as best as can be done, making it easier to explain how a decision was made. And yes, I would be happy to support Garth in whatever he does :) --bob On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:39:04 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> To: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi all,
Actually, Garth Bruen did reply and stated that although he was on the slate, too, he would oppose this.
Why aren't we campaigning for Garth? He is excellent, too.
This is why I *personally* think that we should allow the process to continue and assume that the BCEC did its job. Elsewise, it comes down to personalities and who we all like. I like Avri very much and think she would do an excellent job but there were other people on the slate that I thought just as qualified.
This is just my opinion but it is also why I would be against this. I am not going to go second guessing the very qualified people on the BCEC.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [evan@telly.org] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:58 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
On 1 November 2010 17:05, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones.
Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it?
Some are opposed to a specific petition (for Avri).
Others are against having a petition at all (ie, the BCEC did its job and we trust its people that did what they were asked to do). The implication is that, since the BCEC _could_ have put more than three candidates on the ballot, it must have had sufficient reason to limit the final cut to the three that it did.
That's as much of a generalization as I feel comfortable doing.
As for the reasons why these comments were made privately, I can only speculate that it's because we're talking about people rather than policies ... and some NARALO members commenting may believe that they could be treated differently by their peers for speaking their opinions honestly. It's not for me to judge if those beliefs are warranted.
Those people have, for certain, read the calls here for open debate. It is their call how they choose to proceed. I am simply noting the fact that, unusually for NARALO, we have a significant divide.
I myself am genuinely undecided. I like Avri personally and professionally, I work with her on committees and greatly appreciate what she brings to end-user advocacy. I also trust the judgments of the people on the BCEC, including NARALO's two representatives. I know they had a very difficult task, and I am confident that a suitable advocate for Internet end-users can be elected from amongst the three people that the BCEC *did* submit. At this point I am more concerned about the campaign becoming a Jerry Springer episode on a global stage than I am about sending an unqualified person to the position.
Right now the only thing of which I am certain is that I am thoroughly exhausted by this whole process, long before the vote takes place.
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Hi Bob, I'm am very very sorry and I did not mean to misrepresent what you stated nor to make you a target. I really appreciate the work that Knujon does. Thank you for the clarification and do accept my humblest of apologies. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen [naralo@coldrain.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:51 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates Hi Darlene, I think there is a little confusion here. I (Bob -> Garth's dad) was on the slate and was not chosen for the final three. I said that I think we should move on because, although I want to see it done correctly, I do not want to see the seating of an ALAC rep delayed. I did not say I would be opposed Avri being considered. That had not come up when I wrote the original email. We should be able to trust the committee, but at the same time, the committee should be able to explain and justify whatever they have done. This is not a criticism. I like to think that I can explain the basis for decisions I make, without feeling like a target. I expect the same of everyone else (I am often disappointed). When one makes decisions, one should think them through, as best as can be done, making it easier to explain how a decision was made. And yes, I would be happy to support Garth in whatever he does :) --bob On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:39:04 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> To: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi all,
Actually, Garth Bruen did reply and stated that although he was on the slate, too, he would oppose this.
Why aren't we campaigning for Garth? He is excellent, too.
This is why I *personally* think that we should allow the process to continue and assume that the BCEC did its job. Elsewise, it comes down to personalities and who we all like. I like Avri very much and think she would do an excellent job but there were other people on the slate that I thought just as qualified.
This is just my opinion but it is also why I would be against this. I am not going to go second guessing the very qualified people on the BCEC.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [evan@telly.org] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:58 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
On 1 November 2010 17:05, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones.
Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it?
Some are opposed to a specific petition (for Avri).
Others are against having a petition at all (ie, the BCEC did its job and we trust its people that did what they were asked to do). The implication is that, since the BCEC _could_ have put more than three candidates on the ballot, it must have had sufficient reason to limit the final cut to the three that it did.
That's as much of a generalization as I feel comfortable doing.
As for the reasons why these comments were made privately, I can only speculate that it's because we're talking about people rather than policies ... and some NARALO members commenting may believe that they could be treated differently by their peers for speaking their opinions honestly. It's not for me to judge if those beliefs are warranted.
Those people have, for certain, read the calls here for open debate. It is their call how they choose to proceed. I am simply noting the fact that, unusually for NARALO, we have a significant divide.
I myself am genuinely undecided. I like Avri personally and professionally, I work with her on committees and greatly appreciate what she brings to end-user advocacy. I also trust the judgments of the people on the BCEC, including NARALO's two representatives. I know they had a very difficult task, and I am confident that a suitable advocate for Internet end-users can be elected from amongst the three people that the BCEC *did* submit. At this point I am more concerned about the campaign becoming a Jerry Springer episode on a global stage than I am about sending an unqualified person to the position.
Right now the only thing of which I am certain is that I am thoroughly exhausted by this whole process, long before the vote takes place.
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Hi Darlene, No apology necessary. I was not as clear as I intended, my fault. The real clarification was for the confusion of Garth and myself. The target statement was a general statement, nothing to do with this situation, unless the committee feels like they are a target :) I did not feel like a target at all. I was trying to convey the general idea that I believe anyone making decisions should be able to handle questions about what they did and not become oversensitive. Questioning is not criticism. --bob On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:12:05 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@GOV.NU.CA> To: Bob Bruen <naralo@coldrain.net> Cc: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi Bob,
I'm am very very sorry and I did not mean to misrepresent what you stated nor to make you a target. I really appreciate the work that Knujon does. Thank you for the clarification and do accept my humblest of apologies.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen [naralo@coldrain.net] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:51 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi Darlene,
I think there is a little confusion here. I (Bob -> Garth's dad) was on the slate and was not chosen for the final three.
I said that I think we should move on because, although I want to see it done correctly, I do not want to see the seating of an ALAC rep delayed. I did not say I would be opposed Avri being considered. That had not come up when I wrote the original email.
We should be able to trust the committee, but at the same time, the committee should be able to explain and justify whatever they have done.
This is not a criticism. I like to think that I can explain the basis for decisions I make, without feeling like a target. I expect the same of everyone else (I am often disappointed). When one makes decisions, one should think them through, as best as can be done, making it easier to explain how a decision was made.
And yes, I would be happy to support Garth in whatever he does :)
--bob
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:39:04 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> To: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] FW: Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
Hi all,
Actually, Garth Bruen did reply and stated that although he was on the slate, too, he would oppose this.
Why aren't we campaigning for Garth? He is excellent, too.
This is why I *personally* think that we should allow the process to continue and assume that the BCEC did its job. Elsewise, it comes down to personalities and who we all like. I like Avri very much and think she would do an excellent job but there were other people on the slate that I thought just as qualified.
This is just my opinion but it is also why I would be against this. I am not going to go second guessing the very qualified people on the BCEC.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [evan@telly.org] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:58 PM To: Eduardo Diaz Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: ALAC BoD Candidates
On 1 November 2010 17:05, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have only received emails supporting Avry. I have not seen the opposing ones.
Evan: Can you generalize the reasons why some are against it?
Some are opposed to a specific petition (for Avri).
Others are against having a petition at all (ie, the BCEC did its job and we trust its people that did what they were asked to do). The implication is that, since the BCEC _could_ have put more than three candidates on the ballot, it must have had sufficient reason to limit the final cut to the three that it did.
That's as much of a generalization as I feel comfortable doing.
As for the reasons why these comments were made privately, I can only speculate that it's because we're talking about people rather than policies ... and some NARALO members commenting may believe that they could be treated differently by their peers for speaking their opinions honestly. It's not for me to judge if those beliefs are warranted.
Those people have, for certain, read the calls here for open debate. It is their call how they choose to proceed. I am simply noting the fact that, unusually for NARALO, we have a significant divide.
I myself am genuinely undecided. I like Avri personally and professionally, I work with her on committees and greatly appreciate what she brings to end-user advocacy. I also trust the judgments of the people on the BCEC, including NARALO's two representatives. I know they had a very difficult task, and I am confident that a suitable advocate for Internet end-users can be elected from amongst the three people that the BCEC *did* submit. At this point I am more concerned about the campaign becoming a Jerry Springer episode on a global stage than I am about sending an unqualified person to the position.
Right now the only thing of which I am certain is that I am thoroughly exhausted by this whole process, long before the vote takes place.
- Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
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