Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER / NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 10 June 2013 @ 19:00 UTC
Dear Colleagues, Please note the meeting conflict below. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.3 (also labeled "3.1.3") "Review of Active and Non-Active ALSes" are the mail sent on 6/13. I regret a spreadsheet capturing all of the salient details is incomplete but will be forthcoming. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.4 (also labels "3.1.4") "Overview of ALS De-accreditation Procedures" is that the criteria used can be met by a votebot (CORE in fact uses a votebot scheme, as do other organizations using email-based balloting systems), or by a single individual, and therefore renders fictional the plain sense of the 2007 MoU creating NARALO out of regional organizations meeting specific criteria and undertaking specific responsibilities and so becoming At-Large Structures comprised of one or more organizations, and Unaffiliated Individual members. A continuous scheme consisting only of the formality of testing for the existence of a "vote" from something other than an organization has the effect of making one individual styled as an At-Large Structure equal in voting to all Unaffiliated Individual members, and equal to all At-Large Structures. As individuals, as members of At-Large Structures or Unaffiliated Individual members have property interests affected by the decisions of the Board, and votes in NARALO give rise to acts which advise the Board, equity and due process issues are present in a correctable, but continuously uncorrected voting scheme. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.5 (also labels "3.1.5") "Disconnect Between "Individual Internet Users" and the reality of ALSe" is to observe that more than one currently certified At-Large Structure" appear to have fewer members than there are Unaffiliated Individual members, though the number of Unaffiliated Individual members I believe on the available information may be as few as six, not including myself as the Secretariat has again, for reasons not yet made clear, that I am not an Unaffiliated Individual member. My suggestion is that the "one vote in four" criteria for continuous certification as an ALS be replaced with a test that is organic to the 2007 MoU responsibilities of the NARALO and organic to the subsequent application and capable of discovery of material misrepresentation. This is not particularly difficult and a responsibility of Officers selected by vote. Such a test could detect persistent failures to inform and enable individual participation, the central purpose of a committee tasked to advise from the perspective of individual internet users, which the current scheme can not. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-dt] REMINDER: FIRST Meeting invitation: Policy & Implementation Drafting Team - Monday 10 June 2013 at 1900 UTC Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:06:28 -0700 From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org> To: gnso-policyimpl-dt@icann.org <gnso-policyimpl-dt@icann.org> CC: gnso-secs@icann.org <gnso-secs@icann.org> Dear All, *The first Policy & Implementation Drafting Team teleconference is scheduled for Monday 10 June 2013 at 19:00 UTC for 1 hour.* * * *Please note that we will be using a _different telecom provider_ for this conference, therefore please _refer to the dial in numbers listed_ below and not the ones used on other conference calls. * 12:00 PDT, 15:00 EDT, 20:00 London, 21:00 CET For other places see: *http://tinyurl.com/mgqdjyv * *Adobe Connect_ WITH AUDIO enabled:_* http://icann.adobeconnect.com/policy-implementation/ For those of you using the Adobe Connect audio, you may do so by activating your computer microphone via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable here). *Make sure your speakers and microphone are _not_ on mute.* - Select the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT MY AUDIO (only option). - Select USING COMPUTER twice - Select ALLOW access to the ICANN adobe room - the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should then have changed into a MICROPHONE ICON - You may click on this MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then have a line through it) and to unmute yourself (Line disappears) Participants must ALWAYS have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as default setting. You are requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to participate to avoid disruption. Dial-in details are below. If you require a dial-out, please let me know. ______________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: *POLICY IMPLEMENTATION* *COUNTRY* *TOLL * *TOLL FREE* *Argentina * Not available 0800-666-0607 *Australia* 61-2-8524-9410 800-730-035 *Austria* 43-2682-205-6452 0800-102-51537 *Belgium* 32-2-290-1687 0800-50-931 *Bermuda* Not Available 1-800-227-3396 *Brazil* Not Available 0800-891-3799 *Canada* Not Available 1-866-243-1147 *Chile* Not Available 1230-020-2005 *China North* Not Available 108 007 440 044 *China South* Not Available 10800-440-0044 *Columbia* Not Available 01-800-912-5570 *Costa Rica* Not Available 0800-011-0936 *Czech Republic* 420-239-000-551 800-142-637 *Denmark* 45-3271-4919 80-88-54-87 *Dominican Republic* Not Available 1800-975-9790 *Finland* 358-969-379-653 0800-112-831 *France* 33-1-70-993-504 0800-940-235 *Germany* 49-6958-999-0815 0800-101-2077 *Greece* Not available 00800-44146907 *Hong Kong* 852-3002-9738 800-908-530 *Hungary* 36-1777-9005 06800-13519 *Iceland* Not available 800-8337 *India* Not available 000-800-852-1145 *Indonesia* Not available 001-803-448-551 *Ireland* 353-1436-4546 1800-943-558 *Israel* Not available 1809-34-4022 *Italy* 39-06-452-108-266 800-149-039 *Japan* 81-36-404-0422 0066-3344-2168 *Latvia* Not available 8000-3075 *Luxembourg* 352-3420-808-070 800-23924 *Malaysia* 60-3-7712-4428 1800-804-676 *Mexico* Not available 001-866-874-5861 *Netherlands* 31-20-796-5200 0800-265-8593 *New Zealand* 64-9-912-1363 0800-440-246 *Norway* 47-231-626-36 800-14-812 *Oman* Not available 800-70-104 *Panama* Not available 001-866-381-6130 *Peru* Not available 0800-51-726 *Philippines* Not available 1800-1441-0035 *Poland* Not available 00800-121-2715 *Portugal* Not available 800 844 250 *Romania* Not available 0800-894-476 *Russia* Not available 810-8002-2004011 *Saudi Arabia* Not available 8 008 441 271 *Singapore* 65-6823-2045 800-448-1263 *Slovakia* Not available 800 004 949 *South Africa* Not available 0800-99-1278 *South Korea* 82-2-3483-1128 0030-844-0064 *Spain* 34 917 889 578 900 800 593 *Sweden* 46 850 520 200 200 125 739 *Switzerland* 41 225 927 086 800 560 759 *Taiwan* 886-2-2162-6509 00801-444-143 *Thailand* Not available 001800-441-8582 *United Kingdom* 44-207-190-1525 0800-358-3476 *United States* 1-480-293-1745 1-888-576-8499 *Uruguay* Not available 000-4110-083-730 *Venezuela* Not available 0800-1-00-6580 * * Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat
Hi Eric, Just to correct a couple of things that you have stated below. "not including myself as the Secretariat has again, for reasons not yet made clear, that I am not an Unaffiliated Individual member" To clarify, Section 17 of our Rules of Procedure states, "The members of the unaffiliated individuals, including the representative to the NARALO General Assembly must submit a Statement of Interest indicating that they meet the following criteria...". Further, Section 5 states, "The Chair shall be empowered to issue Calls for Statements of Interest for service on the ALAC and to sign and receive any official correspondence to and from ICANN or the At-Large Structures." Normally members of NARALO will submit their SOIs on the NA-DISCUSS list in order to keep the RALO well informed and to have transparent mechanisms. However, it would also be acceptable for SOIs to be submitted to the Secretariat (who would pass it on to the Chair) or to the Chair directly, as specified above. I can see absolutely no proof of any of this happening. Also, since our region and its ALSs seem to have come under the magnifying glass, as Secretary I have to ensure that the election process goes through without any kind of perceived inaccuracies. So, I had to disqualify your nomination for Glenn for two reasons: 1. It could easily be brought up in the future that I had not performed due diligence on the nomination/election process; and 2. More importantly, it could have brought up questions in the future as to whether Glenn had been properly nominated and called into question our entire elections process. Should Glenn be elected, this could definitely have come back to haunt him. I was very glad that Eduardo stepped forward to nominate him because if he hadn't, I would have. Having to know the Rules of Procedure inside and out is a bit of a pain sometimes but it also helps in foreseeing problems that could crop up in the future. A brutal and thankless job but a necessary one. It also seems to be a job where one is constantly being set up as some kind of target (the "procedure police"). I'm afraid I am a bit like a momma bear protecting her cubs in this regard. When I see anyone in this region possibly setting themselves up for negative consequences, I do everything that I can to ensure that things are done right to forestall this harm. Further, you stated, "A continuous scheme consisting only of the formality of testing for the existence of a "vote"...". Voting is not the only means we have of testing the participation of an ALS by any means. Section 16 of our Rules of Procedure state, "When an ALS representative does not vote in 3 consecutive NARALO elections or does not contribute a comment on ICANN policy through collaboration on the At-Large discussion lists in 12 consecutive months, it automatically loses its voting rights and active status within the NARALO." So, it isn't just voting that automatically grants an active status. It is also collaboration in the discussion lists. This could not be achieved through a votebot. In my mind, collaboration is much more important that voting but there has to be some mechanisms in place to measure at least quantitative participation, if not qualitative. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Eric Brunner-Williams Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:30 PM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] REMINDER / NARALO TELECONFERENCE - Monday, 10 June 2013 @ 19:00 UTC Dear Colleagues, Please note the meeting conflict below. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.3 (also labeled "3.1.3") "Review of Active and Non-Active ALSes" are the mail sent on 6/13. I regret a spreadsheet capturing all of the salient details is incomplete but will be forthcoming. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.4 (also labels "3.1.4") "Overview of ALS De-accreditation Procedures" is that the criteria used can be met by a votebot (CORE in fact uses a votebot scheme, as do other organizations using email-based balloting systems), or by a single individual, and therefore renders fictional the plain sense of the 2007 MoU creating NARALO out of regional organizations meeting specific criteria and undertaking specific responsibilities and so becoming At-Large Structures comprised of one or more organizations, and Unaffiliated Individual members. A continuous scheme consisting only of the formality of testing for the existence of a "vote" from something other than an organization has the effect of making one individual styled as an At-Large Structure equal in voting to all Unaffiliated Individual members, and equal to all At-Large Structures. As individuals, as members of At-Large Structures or Unaffiliated Individual members have property interests affected by the decisions of the Board, and votes in NARALO give rise to acts which advise the Board, equity and due process issues are present in a correctable, but continuously uncorrected voting scheme. My contributions to agenda item 5.1.5 (also labels "3.1.5") "Disconnect Between "Individual Internet Users" and the reality of ALSe" is to observe that more than one currently certified At-Large Structure" appear to have fewer members than there are Unaffiliated Individual members, though the number of Unaffiliated Individual members I believe on the available information may be as few as six, not including myself as the Secretariat has again, for reasons not yet made clear, that I am not an Unaffiliated Individual member. My suggestion is that the "one vote in four" criteria for continuous certification as an ALS be replaced with a test that is organic to the 2007 MoU responsibilities of the NARALO and organic to the subsequent application and capable of discovery of material misrepresentation. This is not particularly difficult and a responsibility of Officers selected by vote. Such a test could detect persistent failures to inform and enable individual participation, the central purpose of a committee tasked to advise from the perspective of individual internet users, which the current scheme can not. Eric Brunner-Williams Eugene, Oregon -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gnso-policyimpl-dt] REMINDER: FIRST Meeting invitation: Policy & Implementation Drafting Team - Monday 10 June 2013 at 1900 UTC Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 07:06:28 -0700 From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org> To: gnso-policyimpl-dt@icann.org <gnso-policyimpl-dt@icann.org> CC: gnso-secs@icann.org <gnso-secs@icann.org> Dear All, *The first Policy & Implementation Drafting Team teleconference is scheduled for Monday 10 June 2013 at 19:00 UTC for 1 hour.* * * *Please note that we will be using a _different telecom provider_ for this conference, therefore please _refer to the dial in numbers listed_ below and not the ones used on other conference calls. * 12:00 PDT, 15:00 EDT, 20:00 London, 21:00 CET For other places see: *http://tinyurl.com/mgqdjyv * *Adobe Connect_ WITH AUDIO enabled:_* http://icann.adobeconnect.com/policy-implementation/ For those of you using the Adobe Connect audio, you may do so by activating your computer microphone via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable here). *Make sure your speakers and microphone are _not_ on mute.* - Select the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT MY AUDIO (only option). - Select USING COMPUTER twice - Select ALLOW access to the ICANN adobe room - the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should then have changed into a MICROPHONE ICON - You may click on this MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then have a line through it) and to unmute yourself (Line disappears) Participants must ALWAYS have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as default setting. You are requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to participate to avoid disruption. Dial-in details are below. If you require a dial-out, please let me know. ______________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: *POLICY IMPLEMENTATION* *COUNTRY* *TOLL * *TOLL FREE* *Argentina * Not available 0800-666-0607 *Australia* 61-2-8524-9410 800-730-035 *Austria* 43-2682-205-6452 0800-102-51537 *Belgium* 32-2-290-1687 0800-50-931 *Bermuda* Not Available 1-800-227-3396 *Brazil* Not Available 0800-891-3799 *Canada* Not Available 1-866-243-1147 *Chile* Not Available 1230-020-2005 *China North* Not Available 108 007 440 044 *China South* Not Available 10800-440-0044 *Columbia* Not Available 01-800-912-5570 *Costa Rica* Not Available 0800-011-0936 *Czech Republic* 420-239-000-551 800-142-637 *Denmark* 45-3271-4919 80-88-54-87 *Dominican Republic* Not Available 1800-975-9790 *Finland* 358-969-379-653 0800-112-831 *France* 33-1-70-993-504 0800-940-235 *Germany* 49-6958-999-0815 0800-101-2077 *Greece* Not available 00800-44146907 *Hong Kong* 852-3002-9738 800-908-530 *Hungary* 36-1777-9005 06800-13519 *Iceland* Not available 800-8337 *India* Not available 000-800-852-1145 *Indonesia* Not available 001-803-448-551 *Ireland* 353-1436-4546 1800-943-558 *Israel* Not available 1809-34-4022 *Italy* 39-06-452-108-266 800-149-039 *Japan* 81-36-404-0422 0066-3344-2168 *Latvia* Not available 8000-3075 *Luxembourg* 352-3420-808-070 800-23924 *Malaysia* 60-3-7712-4428 1800-804-676 *Mexico* Not available 001-866-874-5861 *Netherlands* 31-20-796-5200 0800-265-8593 *New Zealand* 64-9-912-1363 0800-440-246 *Norway* 47-231-626-36 800-14-812 *Oman* Not available 800-70-104 *Panama* Not available 001-866-381-6130 *Peru* Not available 0800-51-726 *Philippines* Not available 1800-1441-0035 *Poland* Not available 00800-121-2715 *Portugal* Not available 800 844 250 *Romania* Not available 0800-894-476 *Russia* Not available 810-8002-2004011 *Saudi Arabia* Not available 8 008 441 271 *Singapore* 65-6823-2045 800-448-1263 *Slovakia* Not available 800 004 949 *South Africa* Not available 0800-99-1278 *South Korea* 82-2-3483-1128 0030-844-0064 *Spain* 34 917 889 578 900 800 593 *Sweden* 46 850 520 200 200 125 739 *Switzerland* 41 225 927 086 800 560 759 *Taiwan* 886-2-2162-6509 00801-444-143 *Thailand* Not available 001800-441-8582 *United Kingdom* 44-207-190-1525 0800-358-3476 *United States* 1-480-293-1745 1-888-576-8499 *Uruguay* Not available 000-4110-083-730 *Venezuela* Not available 0800-1-00-6580 * * Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine For GNSO Secretariat ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
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Thompson, Darlene