This has probably been explained before, but: Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles. What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted. -----Original Message-----
From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Sent: Oct 11, 2010 1:05 PM To: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] VOTE RESULT: Vote on Revised NARALO Operating Principles
Dear All,
With 19 out of 22 or 86.4% of the ALS representatives having participated in the online vote on the revised NARALO Operating Principles, we can confirm that the result is quorate.
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As at Poll close: Saturday 02 October 2010 Number of voters: 19 · Group size: 22 · Percentage voted: 86.96
Yes: 18 (94.7%) John Levine, Michael Maranda, Randy Glass, Darlene Thompson, Evan Leibovitch, Monique Chartrand, Gareth Shearman, Seth Reiss, Robert Guerra, Joly MacFie, Glenn McKnight, Sylvia Caras, Myles Braithwaite, Louis Houle, Annalisa Roger, Eduardo Diaz, Chris Grundemann, Alan Skuce
Abstain: 1 (5.3%) Ted Ernst
No: 0 (0.00%)
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You may review the result independently under: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=1386cez6JEPvWTTvPMCfAGeg
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
You can review the adopted modification of the NARALO Operating Principles under: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/RALO+Organising+Documents
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
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I seem to remember being hooted down when I suggested that the input of unaffiliated members was a fiction. And yet... On Oct 11, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Beau Brendler wrote:
This has probably been explained before, but:
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
-----Original Message-----
From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Sent: Oct 11, 2010 1:05 PM To: "na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] VOTE RESULT: Vote on Revised NARALO Operating Principles
Dear All,
With 19 out of 22 or 86.4% of the ALS representatives having participated in the online vote on the revised NARALO Operating Principles, we can confirm that the result is quorate.
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As at Poll close: Saturday 02 October 2010 Number of voters: 19 · Group size: 22 · Percentage voted: 86.96
Yes: 18 (94.7%) John Levine, Michael Maranda, Randy Glass, Darlene Thompson, Evan Leibovitch, Monique Chartrand, Gareth Shearman, Seth Reiss, Robert Guerra, Joly MacFie, Glenn McKnight, Sylvia Caras, Myles Braithwaite, Louis Houle, Annalisa Roger, Eduardo Diaz, Chris Grundemann, Alan Skuce
Abstain: 1 (5.3%) Ted Ernst
No: 0 (0.00%)
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You may review the result independently under: https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=1386cez6JEPvWTTvPMCfAGeg
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
You can review the adopted modification of the NARALO Operating Principles under: https://community.icann.org/display/NARALO/RALO+Organising+Documents
-- Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Seth Greene, Gisella Gruber-White, Marilyn Vernon, Kristina Nordström ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
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On 11 October 2010 20:09, Antony Van Couvering <avc@avc.vc> wrote:
I seem to remember being hooted down when I suggested that the input of unaffiliated members was a fiction. And yet...
And yet... here is Beau, an unaffiliated member, chosen by NARALO to be its chair for the upcoming year. And NARALO has just passed a series of measures -- indeed, the vote Beau speak of -- to take an informal process of recognition of informal members and turn it into a formal one. What the heck is your point? - Evan
On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> wrote:
This has probably been explained before, but:
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. I apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed your mention. Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised role of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and At-Large. - Evan
Hi all, I do not believe that Beau put in in an SOI to become the "vote" of the unaffilated members nor do I believe that they voted for him to be their "voice". This is why we entrenched this position into the changes to the RoP. We need to have more formal votes for this position. I do not believe that our RoP gave a vote to the unaffiliated voice prior to the vote so this is now in force but was not before. That is my understanding of it, anyways. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Sation 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Mon 10/11/2010 11:10 PM To: Beau Brendler Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF? On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> wrote:
This has probably been explained before, but:
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. I apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed your mention. Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised role of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and At-Large. - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org/> ------
The situation is not that simple. Prior to the changes, section 5 of the Operating Principles (OP) started with: "The governance of the NARALO will be exercised by a General Assembly, formed by 2 representatives of each member ALS and 2 members from among the unaffiliated individuals." In practice, we have used just 1 representative per ALS and Unaffiliated Members, but according to that Unaffiliated Members were represented in General Assembly votes. The revised OP changes that 2 to become 1 in line with our existing practices. However, section 15 says: "These Operating Principles will take effect when adopted by not less than 70% of the active North American At-Large Structures. They may be amended at any time by an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures." So although the Unaffiliated Members are represented in votes of the General Assembly, they were NOT deemed to participate in revision of the Rules of Procedure. We have always referred to the Unaffiliated Members as a "Virtual ALS", but the OP never included such a reference. I was not an active participant in writing the original OP, but I would like to think that this was an inadvertent omission and not deliberate. If I had noticed this during the OP revision process, I certainly would have raised the issue. I can't speak for why staff reported the vote as they did, but based on these rules, it would appear that the error was in including the Unaffiliated Members in the poll, and not how the results were reported. I would suggest that we fix this with due haste. In parallel, we also need to look at our Rules of Procedure. These replicate the "2 per ALS" and there are a number of other places where they conflict with the OP. Alan At 11/10/2010 11:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Hi all,
I do not believe that Beau put in in an SOI to become the "vote" of the unaffilated members nor do I believe that they voted for him to be their "voice". This is why we entrenched this position into the changes to the RoP. We need to have more formal votes for this position. I do not believe that our RoP gave a vote to the unaffiliated voice prior to the vote so this is now in force but was not before.
That is my understanding of it, anyways.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Sation 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Mon 10/11/2010 11:10 PM To: Beau Brendler Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] WTF?
On 11 October 2010 19:38, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> wrote:
This has probably been explained before, but:
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
Beau, I don't know why it was not counted and will check into it. If you participated in the vote then your vote counts and is part of the quorum. I apologize on behalf of the process that may have inadvertently missed your mention.
Of course, as you and I both know, the purpose of this vote was to codify and formalize what had until been an informal and not-fully-recognised role of unaffiliated members and their representatives within NARALO and At-Large.
- Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss
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The way I read it is that it's not that Beau's vote wasn't counted as a vote, but that it made no difference to the quorum count since it wasn't an ALS, given the current rules. Nothing to get so het up about. j On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> wrote:
This has probably been explained before, but:
Please note that Beau Brendler participated in the vote on behalf of the unaffiliated members. While his vote is visible on the above URL, it is not counted towards quorum as according to rule 15, an affirmative vote of not less than 70% of active North American At-Large Structures is required to amend the NARALO Operating Principles.
What does that mean? Let's not pretend to give unaffiliated members a vote (in this particular case, a yes) if it's not going to be counted.
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Thompson, Darlene