MOU - Lets get things started
Hi all, I've taken the liberty to go through the transcript of our last telephone conference as well as the ICANN review of the MOU and have done my best to provide a "red lined" overview of the MOU. Since, on the Wiki, I can neither figure out how to create the colour red nor the appropriate strike-out, I have used the following conventions: * Things cut are surrounded by brackets and are in bold. * Things added are just in bold I have pretty much used ICANN's suggestions verbatim, not because I necessarily agree with them but just so that we can all have a starting point for discussion. Some things that some may wish to discuss are: 1. Clause 4.4 - During the conference call, Danny suggested wording such as "ICANN shall provide administrative and operational support necessary for the NARALO to carry out its responsibilities"; whereas what ICANN suggested was "Providing the necessary resources to support NARALO activities and the NARALO Secretariat." This seems to state about the same thing but I'm not sure. Maybe Danny would like to comment further. 2. Clause 4.6 - I went with ICANN's wording but also added Spanish and the wording on "official languages". 3. Section 5 - ICANN suggested wording to give us a much broader role in the certification of ALSes. One thing I noticed, though, is it remains silent on decertification. 4. Clauses 6.4 and 6.5 have already been amended, I believe, in order to remove the unlimited liability problems. Clause 6.5 still needs work. So, this list is by no means comprehensive. I was just hoping to get the ball rolling and discussion happening. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
And here is the link to the Wiki: Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:26 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] MOU - Lets get things started Hi all, I've taken the liberty to go through the transcript of our last telephone conference as well as the ICANN review of the MOU and have done my best to provide a "red lined" overview of the MOU. Since, on the Wiki, I can neither figure out how to create the colour red nor the appropriate strike-out, I have used the following conventions: * Things cut are surrounded by brackets and are in bold. * Things added are just in bold I have pretty much used ICANN's suggestions verbatim, not because I necessarily agree with them but just so that we can all have a starting point for discussion. Some things that some may wish to discuss are: 1. Clause 4.4 - During the conference call, Danny suggested wording such as "ICANN shall provide administrative and operational support necessary for the NARALO to carry out its responsibilities"; whereas what ICANN suggested was "Providing the necessary resources to support NARALO activities and the NARALO Secretariat." This seems to state about the same thing but I'm not sure. Maybe Danny would like to comment further. 2. Clause 4.6 - I went with ICANN's wording but also added Spanish and the wording on "official languages". 3. Section 5 - ICANN suggested wording to give us a much broader role in the certification of ALSes. One thing I noticed, though, is it remains silent on decertification. 4. Clauses 6.4 and 6.5 have already been amended, I believe, in order to remove the unlimited liability problems. Clause 6.5 still needs work. So, this list is by no means comprehensive. I was just hoping to get the ball rolling and discussion happening. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
And here is the link to the Wiki:
Draft MoU with ICANN:
Thanks Darlene, My recommendations are to amend 4.7 and 4.8 rather than delete, borrowing some language from the GAC principles and making clear that the concerns are in scope for the NARALO: 4.7 Performing periodic impact analyses (similar to an environmental impact statement) of existing policies and of proposed policy changes, as those affect North American Internet users. [substituting "North American Internet users" for "the general public." - 4.8 If the North American RALO, ALSs, or individuals express formal concerns about any ICANN issues, the ICANN Board should fully consider those concerns and clearly explain how it will address them. (borrowed from <http://gac.icann.org/web/home/gTLD_principles.pdf>, 3.3) Thanks, --Wendy
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From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:26 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] MOU - Lets get things started
Hi all,
I've taken the liberty to go through the transcript of our last telephone conference as well as the ICANN review of the MOU and have done my best to provide a "red lined" overview of the MOU. Since, on the Wiki, I can neither figure out how to create the colour red nor the appropriate strike-out, I have used the following conventions:
* Things cut are surrounded by brackets and are in bold. * Things added are just in bold
I have pretty much used ICANN's suggestions verbatim, not because I necessarily agree with them but just so that we can all have a starting point for discussion. Some things that some may wish to discuss are:
1. Clause 4.4 - During the conference call, Danny suggested wording such as "ICANN shall provide administrative and operational support necessary for the NARALO to carry out its responsibilities"; whereas what ICANN suggested was "Providing the necessary resources to support NARALO activities and the NARALO Secretariat." This seems to state about the same thing but I'm not sure. Maybe Danny would like to comment further. 2. Clause 4.6 - I went with ICANN's wording but also added Spanish and the wording on "official languages". 3. Section 5 - ICANN suggested wording to give us a much broader role in the certification of ALSes. One thing I noticed, though, is it remains silent on decertification. 4. Clauses 6.4 and 6.5 have already been amended, I believe, in order to remove the unlimited liability problems. Clause 6.5 still needs work.
So, this list is by no means comprehensive. I was just hoping to get the ball rolling and discussion happening.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: (867) 975-6531
Fax: (867) 979-8870
dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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I just finished reading the Accountability Framework document (between ICANN and the manager of the .sv namespace). While the language is pretty much akin to that in other accountability framework agreements, I am reminded that the country-code manager also agrees to the following: "Financial Contribution to ICANN. SVNet shall contribute to IcANN's cost of operations in the amount of USD 500.00 per annum. The parties agree to review in good faith on every anniversary of the date of AF, the contribution to IcANN set out above to see if that sum is still adequate. The review of the parties will take into account all relevant circumstances." May I ask why the NARALO is not agreeing to make a financial contribution to ICANN as do other organizations? Certainly you can divide a USD 500.00 per annum assesment amongst the participating ALSs as a sign of good faith, can't you? Such a paltry degree of support shouldn't prove to be a barrier to entry or to continued ALS participation, and should represent nothing more than a reasonable threshold to cross for serious applicants and current participants (especially at a time when ICANN is currently covering ALS travel expenses). ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Why would we want to? In what way would that benefit us by being the only RALO to do so? Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:19 PM To: Wendy Seltzer; Thompson, Darlene Cc: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues I just finished reading the Accountability Framework document (between ICANN and the manager of the .sv namespace). While the language is pretty much akin to that in other accountability framework agreements, I am reminded that the country-code manager also agrees to the following: "Financial Contribution to ICANN. SVNet shall contribute to IcANN's cost of operations in the amount of USD 500.00 per annum. The parties agree to review in good faith on every anniversary of the date of AF, the contribution to IcANN set out above to see if that sum is still adequate. The review of the parties will take into account all relevant circumstances." May I ask why the NARALO is not agreeing to make a financial contribution to ICANN as do other organizations? Certainly you can divide a USD 500.00 per annum assesment amongst the participating ALSs as a sign of good faith, can't you? Such a paltry degree of support shouldn't prove to be a barrier to entry or to continued ALS participation, and should represent nothing more than a reasonable threshold to cross for serious applicants and current participants (especially at a time when ICANN is currently covering ALS travel expenses). ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
May I ask why the NARALO is not agreeing to make a financial contribution to ICANN as do other organizations?
I believe that most if not all of the ccTLD agreements include a voluntary contribution from the ccTLD, typically a nominal number like the Salvadorian one. Honestly, I don't know why they bother, since the accounting for a $500 contribution will probably cost close to $500, and with the doubling and soon tripling of the per-registration fee, ICANN's registry income is heading towards $75M per year so it's not like they need the money. As far as I know, none of the other RALOs pay anything either. Since the point of the RALO is to provide legitimacy to ICANN, it sems reasonable for ICANN to support it. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
None of the other RALOs send financial contributions to ICANN. Actually, for some, US$500 could be a whole lot of money. That's a monthly salary in some places. If NARALO wants to - that would be your decision. But given that the MoU requires ICANN to provide resources for the RALO to function, if you have the $500, it might be better to apply it to NARALO activities. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:37 PM To: Danny Younger Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Financial Contribution & Assessment of Dues
May I ask why the NARALO is not agreeing to make a financial contribution to ICANN as do other organizations?
I believe that most if not all of the ccTLD agreements include a voluntary contribution from the ccTLD, typically a nominal number like the Salvadorian one. Honestly, I don't know why they bother, since the accounting for a $500 contribution will probably cost close to $500, and with the doubling and soon tripling of the per-registration fee, ICANN's registry income is heading towards $75M per year so it's not like they need the money. As far as I know, none of the other RALOs pay anything either. Since the point of the RALO is to provide legitimacy to ICANN, it sems reasonable for ICANN to support it. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly. _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/844 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 5:10 PM
I agree John. When we applied for ALS status, we agreed that we wouldn't depend on ICANN support. We don't plan on asking for support, but if ICANN wants to accomplish its mission, it would onlly be reasonable that they would want to support the ALSs. Personally, I'm hoping to get some ideas from the next meeting, while meeting y'all, where my organization could possibly survive the coming years. I spend about $500/year from my own pocket just keeping us afloat. The fact is, that the ALSs need financial support, whether from membership, sponsors, or ICANN; and only seems logical that ICANN would want to support them - unless this is only meant to be another failed experiment. However, if I'm reading this post right, having the RALO support ICANN is going backwards. It is apparent that ICANN now has enough funds to operate like a real organization, and should appropriate funds for these matters. -Randy Glass A@L On 6/13/07, John L <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
May I ask why the NARALO is not agreeing to make a financial contribution to ICANN as do other organizations?
I believe that most if not all of the ccTLD agreements include a voluntary contribution from the ccTLD, typically a nominal number like the Salvadorian one. Honestly, I don't know why they bother, since the accounting for a $500 contribution will probably cost close to $500, and with the doubling and soon tripling of the per-registration fee, ICANN's registry income is heading towards $75M per year so it's not like they need the money.
As far as I know, none of the other RALOs pay anything either. Since the point of the RALO is to provide legitimacy to ICANN, it sems reasonable for ICANN to support it.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
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I feel like there is one camp saying "ICANN's budget is getting too big" and another saying "ICANN should support the RALOs".
I feel like there is one camp saying "ICANN's budget is getting too big" and another saying "ICANN should support the RALOs".
My camp is saying that since ICANN's budget has gotten too big, they might as well do something useful with the money like supporting the RALOs. R's, John
I feel like there is one camp saying "ICANN's budget is getting too big" and another saying "ICANN should support the RALOs".
My camp is saying that since ICANN's budget has gotten too big, they might as well do something useful with the money like supporting the RALOs.
And my camp is roasting marshmallows. - Evan
Darlene and everyone, Are you familiar with the "history" feature of the wiki? Every single edit is tracked, and you can compare any two version that you like, with the software showing you all the changes. I bring this up because it might save you some working making the changes visible in the document itself, since these formatting changes will have to be taken out for us to adopt this anyway. Please let me know if you'd like a walk-through of this (or any other) wiki feature by phone or skype. peace, ted emerging futures network On 6/13/07, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Hi all,
I've taken the liberty to go through the transcript of our last telephone conference as well as the ICANN review of the MOU and have done my best to provide a "red lined" overview of the MOU. Since, on the Wiki, I can neither figure out how to create the colour red nor the appropriate strike-out, I have used the following conventions:
Things cut are surrounded by brackets and are in bold. Things added are just in bold
I have pretty much used ICANN's suggestions verbatim, not because I necessarily agree with them but just so that we can all have a starting point for discussion. Some things that some may wish to discuss are:
Clause 4.4 – During the conference call, Danny suggested wording such as "ICANN shall provide administrative and operational support necessary for the NARALO to carry out its responsibilities"; whereas what ICANN suggested was "Providing the necessary resources to support NARALO activities and the NARALO Secretariat." This seems to state about the same thing but I'm not sure. Maybe Danny would like to comment further. Clause 4.6 – I went with ICANN's wording but also added Spanish and the wording on "official languages". Section 5 – ICANN suggested wording to give us a much broader role in the certification of ALSes. One thing I noticed, though, is it remains silent on decertification. Clauses 6.4 and 6.5 have already been amended, I believe, in order to remove the unlimited liability problems. Clause 6.5 still needs work.
So, this list is by no means comprehensive. I was just hoping to get the ball rolling and discussion happening.
Darlene
Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: (867) 975-6531
Fax: (867) 979-8870
dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP
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participants (9)
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Danny Younger -
Evan Leibovitch -
Jacob Malthouse -
Jacqueline A. Morris -
John L -
RJGlass | America＠Large -
Ted Ernst -
Thompson, Darlene -
Wendy Seltzer