Dominik and all, My response in interspersed below. -----Original Message-----

From: Dominik Filipp <dominik.filipp@dsoft.sk> Sent: Jun 16, 2008 3:06 AM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris

-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:03 AM To: Evan Leibovitch Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Issues for Paris

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Jacqueline Morris wrote:

yes, the GAC is very powerful without any voting Board seat. And one of the reasons that I consistently ask WHY it is necessary to have a voting seat to have influence. I think that there's a concept that the vote means something in and of itself - honestly, if we have 40% of the Board seats , we can still lose EVERY vote if we are not respected, and have no influence! Whereas as you see with the GAC, you don't need to vote if you can persuade the people who have votes to vote your way.

Jacqueline, do you mean this seriously or is this just a joke? The GAC as an official governmental body and as such IMHO it has by its nature an exclusively unique status within ICANN. If At-Large had 40% of the Board seats and still lost every vote then it would be solely the problem of At-Large from which it could still recover after making some necessary internal changes. Without any seat At-Large can be doing its best and there is no guarantee to achieve anything, that is a second-class status.

I didn't get the impression that Jacque was joking at all, nor was she IMO far off the mark either, dominik. However your point is also well taken as a matter of transparency, openness and accountability as such relates to ICANN and the ICANN bod in particular. Without the majority of the ICANN bod seats populated by user determined/voted upon representatives, ICANN will never achieve it's mandate and government entities independantly will legislate and regulate the Internet as they see fit. Some of this is already underway. So yes, the ALAC and the ALS'es are indeed in second class status.

And what about to cancel all biased seats so that all the bodies are given the same chance to persuade an independent group of people with voting right. And what are the biased seats? The seats that, for instance, voted for the Verisign agreement, or for the degradation of the At-Large status to a second-class advisory body.

Well from where I and our members sit, as users and user-registrants, we can no only vote with our $$ and business relationship choices. Our members are actively doing so, and will continue to do so until we are fully represented as one voice, one vote per user AND a majority on the ICANN bod. We will continue to oppose abuses as we and the law define them via the court systems if and when necessary or appropriate as some of our members have done in respect to the IPC's RIAA and the EU equivelents.

A bit shocking for me, Jacqueline

Dominik

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