Darlene and all, My response is interspersed below Darlene's... -----Original Message-----

From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> Sent: Apr 14, 2008 7:58 AM To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com>, "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>, Nick Ashton-Hart <Nick.Ashton-Hart@icann.org> Cc: NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy

Well, OF COURSE the registrant community (in the US, anyways) responded to the RegisterFly debacle - it hurt their interests personally. If something affects me personally, I read up on it and respond, as well. If it doesn't I might not.

It saddens me and is seemingly disrespectful as well as shows a lack of proper concern for users that if as "Volenteer" for any ALS that such a "Volenteer" would put their own personal interests before those that they are purporting to be wolenteering their time to serve. I never have taken this attitude, and I hope I never shall.

ALSs are generally non-profit organizations run by people putting in hugely long numbers of hours dealing with their work. They don't sit behind a desk and have huge amounts of time to go finding stuff and working on stuff that doesn't affect them (or their jobs) directly. You must have tons more time at work to read this stuff than the entire ALS community put together. We all have jobs that actually take up huge portions of our time/life.

Understood fully by me here! But than again, if your day job is so demanding, than perhaps volenteering isn't something you or anyone in a similar position should be doing? Further we all should be very glad has the time or manages his time so that he can provide the information that he has and take advantage of that.

When the Canadian ALSs signed up, we were told that easier to digest information would be soon coming out. As Nick has reported there have been various impediments to this but that it should "soon" be coming. Once this is available, then I would suggest that the NARALO do, maybe, a weekly informational e-mailing on one subject to all ALSs - both for their info and for their web sites.

This is not a bad idea as long as it is accurate, reflects different and diverse viewpoints and is very detailed as well as allows for multipul input from many different sources unrestricted.

In stating, "The problem isn't that ALSs aren't being properly educated; the problem is that ALSs are not the at-large. The real At-Large cares, reacts and responds; they don't." That is really wrong. The At-Large does care - about those issues that affect them. Comparing them to a registrant that has just had the plug pulled on their web site is completely misleading.

Perhaps you are correct here from your own prespective. But that is as you stated above, what effects you. This however is not going to be and is not now, the same perspective of all users.

So, what issues do ALSs care about? WELL - that's the information we need to get out to them. What is happening that they should care about? What response is needed? Put out information such as that, and we will get more input.

ALS's should be listening to the users whom they are supposed to represent and be made up of. I am sure the users, such as myself as one, will inform the ALS's what is on their minds, effects them broadly and individually, and when that is known, than a plan of action to address those issues and/or concerns if possible, should commence.

Constant negativity sure won't help, though.

I fully agree. So please discontinue propagating such negativity!

D

Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:32 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; Jacqueline A. Morris; Evan Leibovitch; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC Draft Accountability Framework andConflicts of Interest Policy

Re: "How can we punish or even expect anything at all out of ALSs that haven't been educated?"

When these organizations signed up they agreed to (1) distribute information on ICANN activities and issues, (2) enable discussions among their members on the issues; and (3) involve their members in relevant ICANN policy development, discussions and decisions.

The ICANN website currently contains information on: a. accountability and transparency b. idn fast-track discussions c. mid-term review considerations d. the 2007 Annual report e. root-server agreements f. new gtlds g. independent reviews h. compliance initiatives i. whois issues j. the registrar accreditation agreement k. nominating committee activities l. iPV6

There are also links to the GNSO Improvements discussion, the ICANN travel policy considerations, the translation program, and to a host of other subjects.

So I guess what you're saying is we first need to teach ALSs how to read. Apparently, they are only capable of reading an ALS application form, but nothing else.

Funny, how registrants that encounter a problem manage to read everything under the sun about an issue and know where to send their complaints and concerns, yet ALSs remain clueless.

Odd that registrants in droves managed to find their way to the ICANN blog and to the public participation sites when the Registerfly mess unfolded, yet ALSs were absolutely silent.

The problem isn't that ALSs aren't being properly educated; the problem is that ALSs are not the at-large. The real At-Large cares, reacts and responds; they don't.

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