NARALO statement on pre-registration
Dear Colleagues, The NARALO wants to make a statement warning consumers about the issue of pre-registration. We as a region have developed a text, as follows below. I'm writing to ask whether the ALAC would like to endorse this statement and pass it forward to the board. It also occurs to me that it would make an excellent press release in coordination with the appropriate people. I have already done a video spot on the issue for Internet Evolution/Thinkernet, so maybe other press might have some interest. Regards, Beau Brendler NARALO Chair ------------------------------------ The NARALO observes that at least one ICANN-accredited registrar, United Domains, is offering what it calls "Free nTLD pre-registration" (see https://www.uniteddomains.com/ntld/pre-register-new-domains). United Domains began the offer in advance of ICANN's new gTLD decision in Singapore, and it continues afterwards, in expectation of greater availability in October 2012. United Domains says the pre-registration service is free and non-binding. However, NARALO is concerned the offer of such a service might create consumer confusion and possibly present the opportunity for fraud. In support of this concern, we note that at least one registrar, Blacknight Solutions of Ireland, has issued a press release warning registrants to disregard any such pre-registration offers in new gTLDS, and states that the company "discovered that registrants interested in acquiring domains in rumoured new gTLDs had become confused by these offers, as they are not familiar with how the new TLD implementation might work. This sort of speculative offer is the equivalent of taking a down payment on a concept car that has not been approved for production. It is a false promise." (June 30, 2011, http://www.prlog.org/11565814-blacknight-warn-consumers-against-new-gtld-pre...). The NARALO wishes to remind ICANN that approximately 10 years ago, the announcement of pre-registration for new top-level domains (such as .aero, .coop and so-on) prompted the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to issue a consumer alert (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt084.pdf) that said, in part, "Some registration services are guaranteeing new top level domain names or promising preferential treatment in the registration process.... "But, the agency cautions, these offers may be misleading. "The FTC advises consumers to protect themselves by: ...Avoiding any domain name pre-registration service that guarantees particular top level domain names or preferential treatment in the assignment of new top level domain names.." The NARALO is aware the situation is different now than it was then, and that United Domains and others provide substantial disclosure information about the nature of the pre-registration program. The NARALO also recognizes the FTC action at the time was thought by some in the Internet community to be excessive and alarmist. Therefore, the NARALO recommends that, through ALAC, ICANN undertake public communication that makes clear what, exactly, consumers and others might expect from "pre-registration." It should be the organization that administers the domain name system, not the agents of domain sale, who should be defining the nature of Internet "real estate" in the public interest.
These services are akin to the "auction sniper" services on ebay, ie they undertake to enter client's 2nd level applications within seconds of the opening of landrush as new gTLDs become available. It's a legitimate business. The awkward bit is to differentiate them from shady boiler-room style operators may start pre-selling options or similar.. and while this activity is obviously in the province national fraud laws - the international scope of the nTLD rollout means it requires international attention. Further complicating the issue is that nobody can predict the eventual price of a 2nd level name, even if a gTLD is delegated. Fact is plenty of people would be ready to put in a down payment on a concept car, if 1) the payment was $0, and 2) there was no obligation to eventually buy. What's to lose? j On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
The NARALO wants to make a statement warning consumers about the issue of pre-registration. We as a region have developed a text, as follows below.
I'm writing to ask whether the ALAC would like to endorse this statement and pass it forward to the board. It also occurs to me that it would make an excellent press release in coordination with the appropriate people. I have already done a video spot on the issue for Internet Evolution/Thinkernet, so maybe other press might have some interest.
Regards,
Beau Brendler NARALO Chair
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The NARALO observes that at least one ICANN-accredited registrar, United Domains, is offering what it calls "Free nTLD pre-registration" (see https://www.uniteddomains.com/ntld/pre-register-new-domains). United Domains began the offer in advance of ICANN's new gTLD decision in Singapore, and it continues afterwards, in expectation of greater availability in October 2012.
United Domains says the pre-registration service is free and non-binding. However, NARALO is concerned the offer of such a service might create consumer confusion and possibly present the opportunity for fraud. In support of this concern, we note that at least one registrar, Blacknight Solutions of Ireland, has issued a press release warning registrants to disregard any such pre-registration offers in new gTLDS, and states that the company "discovered that registrants interested in acquiring domains in rumoured new gTLDs had become confused by these offers, as they are not familiar with how the new TLD implementation might work. This sort of speculative offer is the equivalent of taking a down payment on a concept car that has not been approved for production. It is a false promise." (June 30, 2011, http://www.prlog.org/11565814-blacknight-warn-consumers-against-new-gtld-pre... ).
The NARALO wishes to remind ICANN that approximately 10 years ago, the announcement of pre-registration for new top-level domains (such as .aero, .coop and so-on) prompted the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to issue a consumer alert (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt084.pdf) that said, in part, "Some registration services are guaranteeing new top level domain names or promising preferential treatment in the registration process....
"But, the agency cautions, these offers may be misleading. "The FTC advises consumers to protect themselves by: ...Avoiding any domain name pre-registration service that guarantees particular top level domain names or preferential treatment in the assignment of new top level domain names.."
The NARALO is aware the situation is different now than it was then, and that United Domains and others provide substantial disclosure information about the nature of the pre-registration program. The NARALO also recognizes the FTC action at the time was thought by some in the Internet community to be excessive and alarmist.
Therefore, the NARALO recommends that, through ALAC, ICANN undertake public communication that makes clear what, exactly, consumers and others might expect from "pre-registration." It should be the organization that administers the domain name system, not the agents of domain sale, who should be defining the nature of Internet "real estate" in the public interest.
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Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation.. j On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com
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by Michele Neylon, concerning some shenanigans with gb.com:
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Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation..
Why would you expect ICANN's rules to be less opaque and arbitrary than Verisign's? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Why would you expect ICANN's rules to be less opaque and arbitrary than Verisign's?
Not challenging any aspect of arbitrary that you're making. It seems to be that it is the layering of them creating an additional arbitrary break point at each that seems at issue. In this case of gb.com, there are more than one layer introduced by sub-domaining. There is an agreement between ICANN and VeriSign for .com, one between VeriSign for .com and the registrar of record of gb.com, one between ICANN and the registrar of record of gb.com, and one between the registrar of record of gb.com and the registrant of gb.com. Then you layer on the agreement where the provider of the subdomaining service (in this case Centralnic - who are stellar professionals IMHO) contracts with the registrant of gb.com, and then Centralnic contracts with the registrant of subdomain.gb.com, possibly having a registrar and perhaps even a reseller in betwixt. That's a lot of layers and a lot of arbitrary points. -Jothan On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation..
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Maybe, but ccTLDs should remain in the public interest as originally designed. ICANN cites the "sovereignty" issue for not getting involved but I would argue that sovereignty is lost when it moves to private ownership (not management, of course, but this is a THIN line in some cases). From: Joly MacFie Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:33 PM To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation.. j On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote: by Michele Neylon, concerning some shenanigans with gb.com: http://www.internetnews.me/2011/07/30/centralnics-gb-com-in-dispute-gb-com-n... ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------ -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:36, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
Maybe, but ccTLDs should remain in the public interest as originally designed. ICANN cites the "sovereignty" issue for not getting involved but I would argue that sovereignty is lost when it moves to private ownership (not management, of course, but this is a THIN line in some cases).
Garth What have ccTLDs got to do with gb.com ? Sorry, maybe I missed a mail, but your comment confused me Regards Michele
From: Joly MacFie Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:33 PM To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com
Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation..
j
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
by Michele Neylon, concerning some shenanigans with gb.com:
http://www.internetnews.me/2011/07/30/centralnics-gb-com-in-dispute-gb-com-n...
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This was a follow-on to a ccTLD discussion we just had on the monthly NARALO call, your article was of interest because of the gb.com usage -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:41 PM To: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: "Joly MacFie" <joly@punkcast.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com
On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:36, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
Maybe, but ccTLDs should remain in the public interest as originally designed. ICANN cites the "sovereignty" issue for not getting involved but I would argue that sovereignty is lost when it moves to private ownership (not management, of course, but this is a THIN line in some cases).
Garth
What have ccTLDs got to do with gb.com ?
Sorry, maybe I missed a mail, but your comment confused me
Regards
Michele
From: Joly MacFie Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:33 PM To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com
Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation..
j
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
by Michele Neylon, concerning some shenanigans with gb.com:
http://www.internetnews.me/2011/07/30/centralnics-gb-com-in-dispute-gb-com-n...
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Thanks for the clarification :-) Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://Blacknight.tel Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:46, "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
This was a follow-on to a ccTLD discussion we just had on the monthly NARALO call, your article was of interest because of the gb.com usage
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:41 PM To: "Garth Bruen at Knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: "Joly MacFie" <joly@punkcast.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com
On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:36, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
Maybe, but ccTLDs should remain in the public interest as originally designed. ICANN cites the "sovereignty" issue for not getting involved but I would argue that sovereignty is lost when it moves to private ownership (not management, of course, but this is a THIN line in some cases).
Garth
What have ccTLDs got to do with gb.com ?
Sorry, maybe I missed a mail, but your comment confused me
Regards
Michele
From: Joly MacFie Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 4:33 PM To: Garth Bruen at Knujon.com Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] .GB/gb.com
Wold seem to be a good argument for new TLDs - at least one doesn't stand the risk of abitrary re-delegation..
j
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
by Michele Neylon, concerning some shenanigans with gb.com:
http://www.internetnews.me/2011/07/30/centralnics-gb-com-in-dispute-gb-com-n...
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Maybe, but ccTLDs should ...
What ccTLDs? gb.com is an ordinary $10 2LD and a marketing campaign. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
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Beau Brendler -
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John R. Levine -
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Jothan Frakes -
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight