Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC)
That's kind of a leap in logic, we're talking about specific icann roles
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:26 pm To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
And I suppose you'd support COICA, the US proposal to censor domain names "dedicated to infringing activity" too?
I certainly would not want to see ICANN in here. <http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2010/09/21/copyright-censorship-and-d...>
--Wendy
On 09/29/2010 03:34 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote:
I believe there is an ATRT meeting next month here in Boston, not sure where yet, would be happy to participate.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 3:22 pm To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
On 29 September 2010 15:11, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
"ICANN’s vice president of government affairs for the Americas, Jamie Hedlund, said the meeting was “outside the scope of our role as the technical coordinator of the Internet’s unique identifiers.”
How is enforcing the provisions of the RAA outside the scope of its role?
I smell another ATRT submission....
This is worth escalating to the global At-Large lists, IMO.
- Evan
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And what exactly are those roles? I know I may live to regret asking, but I would love to know. Or is this one of those "let's make it ICANN's problem since registrars are obviously evil"? Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://Blacknight.tel Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity On 29 Sep 2010, at 22:34, "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
That's kind of a leap in logic, we're talking about specific icann roles
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:26 pm To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
And I suppose you'd support COICA, the US proposal to censor domain names "dedicated to infringing activity" too?
I certainly would not want to see ICANN in here. <http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2010/09/21/copyright-censorship-and-d...>
--Wendy
On 09/29/2010 03:34 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote:
I believe there is an ATRT meeting next month here in Boston, not sure where yet, would be happy to participate.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 3:22 pm To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
On 29 September 2010 15:11, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
"ICANN’s vice president of government affairs for the Americas, Jamie Hedlund, said the meeting was “outside the scope of our role as the technical coordinator of the Internet’s unique identifiers.”
How is enforcing the provisions of the RAA outside the scope of its role?
I smell another ATRT submission....
This is worth escalating to the global At-Large lists, IMO.
- Evan
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Michele, I've made it quite clear. The unlicensed pharmacy domain promoted through thousands of hacked websites has false WHOIS which they failed to correct within the stipulated time. The sponsoring Registrar failed to investigate and suspend the domain within the stipulated time. ICANN failed to address the original complaint against the domain with the Registrar and completely botched the complaint against the Registrar. Would you still feel the same if it were your site that was hacked on behalf of a non-compliant sponsored by a non-compliant Registrar? You'll see in our follow-up next week how a Registrar was actually the VICTIM of such a scheme. Some might even say this was an "attack" from a competing domain company. -Garth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:43 PM To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <wendy@seltzer.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC)
And what exactly are those roles?
I know I may live to regret asking, but I would love to know.
Or is this one of those "let's make it ICANN's problem since registrars are obviously evil"?
Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://Blacknight.tel
Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
On 29 Sep 2010, at 22:34, "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
That's kind of a leap in logic, we're talking about specific icann roles
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:26 pm To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
And I suppose you'd support COICA, the US proposal to censor domain names "dedicated to infringing activity" too?
I certainly would not want to see ICANN in here. <http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2010/09/21/copyright-censorship-and-d...>
--Wendy
On 09/29/2010 03:34 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote:
I believe there is an ATRT meeting next month here in Boston, not sure where yet, would be happy to participate.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 3:22 pm To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
On 29 September 2010 15:11, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
"ICANN’s vice president of government affairs for the Americas, Jamie Hedlund, said the meeting was “outside the scope of our role as the technical coordinator of the Internet’s unique identifiers.”
How is enforcing the provisions of the RAA outside the scope of its role?
I smell another ATRT submission....
This is worth escalating to the global At-Large lists, IMO.
- Evan
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SECURETABS[DOT]NET is now finally offline after 74 days, but there are still three other malware-redirected domains in this scheme: GENERICTAB.COM (TUCOWS), CHEAPDRUGSNORX.COM (OnlineNIC), BESTGENERICPHARMA.COM (DIRECTNIC). The domain that controls the rotation of these sites: PHARM-TRACKER.COM is also sponsored by OnLineNIC. All described in the full report: http://www.knujon.com/WDPRS_failures_malware_intrusion_securetabsDOTnet_Knuj... -------------------------------------------------- From: <gbruen@knujon.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:21 PM To: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II(ICANN and OnlineNIC)
Michele,
I've made it quite clear. The unlicensed pharmacy domain promoted through thousands of hacked websites has false WHOIS which they failed to correct within the stipulated time. The sponsoring Registrar failed to investigate and suspend the domain within the stipulated time. ICANN failed to address the original complaint against the domain with the Registrar and completely botched the complaint against the Registrar.
Would you still feel the same if it were your site that was hacked on behalf of a non-compliant sponsored by a non-compliant Registrar?
You'll see in our follow-up next week how a Registrar was actually the VICTIM of such a scheme. Some might even say this was an "attack" from a competing domain company.
-Garth
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:43 PM To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: <wendy@seltzer.com>; <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC)
And what exactly are those roles?
I know I may live to regret asking, but I would love to know.
Or is this one of those "let's make it ICANN's problem since registrars are obviously evil"?
Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://Blacknight.tel
Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
On 29 Sep 2010, at 22:34, "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
That's kind of a leap in logic, we're talking about specific icann roles
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 4:26 pm To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
And I suppose you'd support COICA, the US proposal to censor domain names "dedicated to infringing activity" too?
I certainly would not want to see ICANN in here. <http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2010/09/21/copyright-censorship-and-d...>
--Wendy
On 09/29/2010 03:34 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn wrote:
I believe there is an ATRT meeting next month here in Boston, not sure where yet, would be happy to participate.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Policy Failure Enables Mass Malware: Part II (ICANN and OnlineNIC) From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Date: Wed, September 29, 2010 3:22 pm To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
On 29 September 2010 15:11, Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net>wrote:
> > "ICANN’s vice president of government affairs for the Americas, > Jamie > Hedlund, said the meeting was “outside the scope of our role as the > technical coordinator of the Internet’s unique identifiers.” > > How is enforcing the provisions of the RAA outside the scope of its > role? > > I smell another ATRT submission....
This is worth escalating to the global At-Large lists, IMO.
- Evan
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