FW: Guide to the DNS for End Users
Hi all, Please see e-mail below and send me and comments that you may have on same so that I can ensure that they are incorporated into this document. Thanks and have a great weekend, all! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:Nick.Ashton-Hart@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:29 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Bilal S. Beirm; Evan Leibovitch; Edmon Chung; Pavan Budhrani; Carlton Samuels; Wolf Ludwig; Jeanette Hofmann; Didier Rukeratabaro Kasole Cc: Cheryl Langdon-Orr Subject: Guide to the DNS for End Users Dear Secretariat colleagues: You will recall that one of the work tracks discussed in Los Angeles was the completion of the guide to the DNS, currently languishing in draft form. I believe I forwarded this to you after the LA meeting, but to refresh your memory, here it is again. I will arrange to have printed copies for the Secretariat meeting but is it possible that a timeline could be agreed for providing all comments on the draft not later than the end of February from all of you, so that we could then have whatever amendments you suggest reflected in the text and arrange for it to be translated etc.? For those who wonder, the reason that ccTLDs are not a part of the guide is because the original vision was to produce a gTLD guide, and after that a ccTLD guide - which of course we can still do - but it would be hard to persuade those upstream of me to spend money on the second guide until we have the first one finalised :) If you feel that there are certain elements which should be contained in the guide that are specific to one region, we can of course produce regional versions of the guide. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Please see e-mail below and send me and comments that you may have on same so that I can ensure that they are incorporated into this document.
Please take my name off pages 2 and 3. I suspect the other former ALAC members will feel the same way. In fact, the Interim ALAC had nothing to do with this thing. ICANN hired a consultant to write it and dropped it on us. Miriam is a nice lady but she doesn't know much about registering domains. R's, John
John L wrote:
Please see e-mail below and send me and comments that you may have on same so that I can ensure that they are incorporated into this document.
Please take my name off pages 2 and 3. I suspect the other former ALAC members will feel the same way.
Yes please. I'd prefer a very different document before I'd attach my name, and since my earlier comments toward changing it were disregarded, I don't think it's worth repeating the process. --Wendy
In fact, the Interim ALAC had nothing to do with this thing. ICANN hired a consultant to write it and dropped it on us. Miriam is a nice lady but she doesn't know much about registering domains.
R's, John
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Hi, like John and Wendy before me, I ask that my name be taken off pages 2 and 3. This document was developed by a consultant in fall of 2006. As John says, it was dropped on us Oct 31 2006 for a THREE DAY COMMENT PERIOD so as to have translation and publication time before the early Dec. Sao Paulo conference (I have the email to prove it). A third of the committee was busy at IGF in Athens at this time. I don't think Wendy will mind me quoting from an email of hers from Nov 1: "I'm sorry, but I agree with John that this can't be put out under the ALAC name until ALAC members have an opportunity to offer more substantial review and revisions. Those ALAC members on the cc list here are not even the full committee, so we couldn't commit "ALAC" in any event before review by the committee. Miriam provided a slightly longer window for comment, but the sense of the committee was-- Why are we trying to push this guide through in a hurry to gain few weeks, when it is years late anyway? The worst thing we could do is to get something done that is both terribly late and incorrect. Since we cannot fix the lateness, let's at least make sure it will be done right! My own comment at the time was "I agree with Wendy. I would prefer that ALAC's name be taken off this entirely. I would prefer a much more engaging document that would provide some real-world examples. No offense meant, Miriam, I'm sure you were just asked to write a FAQ, but there are more than enough FAQs [on this topic] and they don't seem to get the important messages across to end-users, whom the ALAC serves. It's time for a new, fresh approach that doesn't even look like the document you sent for editing. I think there should be illustrations too. Just my two cents on the topic." I stand by the same comment today and I don't want my name on this. I see by the 2006 mail I have on this topic that several other members did provide specific feedback and changes. I don't see that any of these changes have been incorporated. Even some if not all of Nick's own suggestions aren't in here: "> Perhaps the following specifics could be helpful in addressing some of
the most recently-stated issues:
1) decide that a subsequent guide will address ccTLDs, but that this one will only address gTLDs.
2) ensure the name is changed to "A Guide to Generic Top-Level Domain Names"
3) add a preamble noting that the guide focuses only on gTLDs and there are 250 country code tld's and these will be addressed in an upcoming "A Guide to Country Code Top-Level Domain Names"
And then also, in SP show the draft guide to members of the ccNSO Council and invite them to work with the ALAC in creating such a guide focussed on .
I would be surprised if ALAC wanted it published under its name. Jean At 5:30 PM -0500 1/25/08, John L recently said:
Please see e-mail below and send me and comments that you may have on same so that I can ensure that they are incorporated into this document.
Please take my name off pages 2 and 3. I suspect the other former ALAC members will feel the same way.
In fact, the Interim ALAC had nothing to do with this thing. ICANN hired a consultant to write it and dropped it on us. Miriam is a nice lady but she doesn't know much about registering domains.
R's, John
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Hi all, Nick had requested that we get comments in to him by the end of February and I believe we will be discussing this matter in New Dheli. I've printed off everybody's e-mails on this topic and will be bringing this matter and all comments to the attention of the group. Thank you VERY much for your input (Jean, Wendy, John, et al) - especially since you are having to bring a Newbie up to speed on this stuff! D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Jean Armour Polly [mailto:mom@netmom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:01 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Guide to the DNS for End Users Hi, like John and Wendy before me, I ask that my name be taken off pages 2 and 3. This document was developed by a consultant in fall of 2006. As John says, it was dropped on us Oct 31 2006 for a THREE DAY COMMENT PERIOD so as to have translation and publication time before the early Dec. Sao Paulo conference (I have the email to prove it). A third of the committee was busy at IGF in Athens at this time. I don't think Wendy will mind me quoting from an email of hers from Nov 1: "I'm sorry, but I agree with John that this can't be put out under the ALAC name until ALAC members have an opportunity to offer more substantial review and revisions. Those ALAC members on the cc list here are not even the full committee, so we couldn't commit "ALAC" in any event before review by the committee. Miriam provided a slightly longer window for comment, but the sense of the committee was-- Why are we trying to push this guide through in a hurry to gain few weeks, when it is years late anyway? The worst thing we could do is to get something done that is both terribly late and incorrect. Since we cannot fix the lateness, let's at least make sure it will be done right! My own comment at the time was "I agree with Wendy. I would prefer that ALAC's name be taken off this entirely. I would prefer a much more engaging document that would provide some real-world examples. No offense meant, Miriam, I'm sure you were just asked to write a FAQ, but there are more than enough FAQs [on this topic] and they don't seem to get the important messages across to end-users, whom the ALAC serves. It's time for a new, fresh approach that doesn't even look like the document you sent for editing. I think there should be illustrations too. Just my two cents on the topic." I stand by the same comment today and I don't want my name on this. I see by the 2006 mail I have on this topic that several other members did provide specific feedback and changes. I don't see that any of these changes have been incorporated. Even some if not all of Nick's own suggestions aren't in here: "> Perhaps the following specifics could be helpful in addressing some of
the most recently-stated issues:
1) decide that a subsequent guide will address ccTLDs, but that this one will only address gTLDs.
2) ensure the name is changed to "A Guide to Generic Top-Level Domain Names"
3) add a preamble noting that the guide focuses only on gTLDs and there are 250 country code tld's and these will be addressed in an upcoming "A Guide to Country Code Top-Level Domain Names"
And then also, in SP show the draft guide to members of the ccNSO Council and invite them to work with the ALAC in creating such a guide focussed on .
I would be surprised if ALAC wanted it published under its name. Jean At 5:30 PM -0500 1/25/08, John L recently said:
Please see e-mail below and send me and comments that you may have on same so that I can ensure that they are incorporated into this document.
Please take my name off pages 2 and 3. I suspect the other former ALAC members will feel the same way.
In fact, the Interim ALAC had nothing to do with this thing. ICANN hired a consultant to write it and dropped it on us. Miriam is a nice lady but she doesn't know much about registering domains.
R's, John
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