All: I am looking for some advise/direction. We (the Internet Society of Puerto Rico) recently found out that the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr was re-delegated to a new non-for-profit organization on 21 December, 2006. I looked all over the IANA web site for any public documents regarding this re-delegation and could not found anything except the info in the Who Is database. I wrote an email to Mr. David Conrad and ccNSO secretariat but did not receive any feedback regarding this issue. Can anyone in the NARALO help us in directing us to the right information source? We are very eager to understand how this happened without going through the due diligence that characterized these re-delegations. Eduardo Díaz President ISOC-PR
I can't find anything either. Typically, the IANA is supposed to post reports on redelegations on this page of the IANA site: http://www.iana.org/reports/cctld-reports.htm I don't see anything for Puerto Rico. Also, the ICANN Board typically reviews and approves redelegations, and again, I cannot find any discussions of .PR in the last three years: http://icann.org/minutes/index.html How do you know this is a redelegation? I'm very curious about this. Please update us when you have more thoughts on what has happened. Bret On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
All:
I am looking for some advise/direction.
We (the Internet Society of Puerto Rico) recently found out that the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr – was re-delegated to a new non-for- profit organization on 21 December, 2006. I looked all over the IANA web site for any public documents regarding this re-delegation and could not found anything except the info in the Who Is database. I wrote an email to Mr. David Conrad and ccNSO secretariat but did not receive any feedback regarding this issue.
Can anyone in the NARALO help us in directing us to the right information source? We are very eager to understand how this happened without going through the due diligence that characterized these re-delegations.
Eduardo Díaz
President
ISOC-PR
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Per archive.org, the sponsoring organization for .pr used to be: University of Puerto Rico Gauss Laboratory Facundo Bueso Building Office 265 Rio Piedras 00931 Puerto Rico A change was made to: Gauss Research Laboratory Inc. Calle Vesta 801 San Juan 00923 Puerto Rico per http://www.grl.pr/ -- "About the Gauss Research Laboratory, Inc. The .pr Domain committees (Local, International, Academic) recommended the creation of a not-for-profit corporation, "Gauss Research Laboratory Inc" (GRL-INC), a corporation organized under the laws of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, registered with the Puerto Rico Department of State, is the managing organization of the Puerto Rico's Top Level Domain and is the entity responsible for providing a stable and secure management of the .pr domain. It is our responsibility to provide registry services in response to the needs of our customers and stakeholders and to ensure that our systems conform to relevant standards, enabling global interoperability." --- Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
I can't find anything either. Typically, the IANA is supposed to post reports on redelegations on this page of the IANA site:
http://www.iana.org/reports/cctld-reports.htm
I don't see anything for Puerto Rico. Also, the ICANN Board typically reviews and approves redelegations, and again, I cannot find any discussions of .PR in the last three years:
http://icann.org/minutes/index.html
How do you know this is a redelegation? I'm very curious about this. Please update us when you have more thoughts on what has happened.
Bret
On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
All:
I am looking for some advise/direction.
We (the Internet Society of Puerto Rico) recently
found out that
the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr was re-delegated to a new non-for- profit organization on 21 December, 2006. I looked all over the IANA web site for any public documents regarding this re-delegation and could not found anything except the info in the Who Is database. I wrote an email to Mr. David Conrad and ccNSO secretariat but did not receive any feedback regarding this issue.
Can anyone in the NARALO help us in directing us to the right information source? We are very eager to understand how this happened without going through the due diligence that characterized these re-delegations.
Eduardo Díaz
President
ISOC-PR
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For those of you interested in the topic, ISOC-PR erlier put together a position paper on the .pr situation: SECURING PUERTO RICOS PLACE IN THE GLOBAL INTERNET DRAFT STATEMENT OF POLICY ON THE DOTPR DOMAIN JANUARY 10, 2005 The .pr ccTLD was created in 1989 under the NSFNets program to globalize the use of the Internet beyond the United States to provide a center for the registration of domain names to serve the local community in Puerto Rico and make it available to registrants around the world. The .pr ccTLD is Puerto Ricos address on the Internet and therefore it is our public resource and must be managed in the public interest. Additionally, the .pr ccTLD is an integral part of our communications infrastructure and our place in the Global Internet. As such, it must be developed in order to usher in a new wave of innovative technologies and products to increase Puerto Ricos economic development and encourage an open competitive environment. Through popularizing the use of the .pr ccTLD, the Commonwealth Government of Puerto Rico can establish a set of initiatives to expand internet use and make it accessible to all Puerto Ricans. It can be the core infrastructure driving the eGovernment plan and can become the center of programs in the schools and impoverished communities for public access to the Internet as a way to acquire services and information. These efforts could lead to narrowing the Digital Divide and promoting Internet access to the 3.8 million people who reside in Puerto Ricos 78 municipalities. Additionally, the .pr ccTLD can become a generator revenue to the tune of many millions of dollars by changing its restrictive and obsolete policies with regard to who can and cannot register .pr names. Among these are copyright, trademark and patented name owners that annually register their names in every jurisdiction worldwide and generate 100 of millions of dollars in registration revenues to the worldwide cctlds. In Puerto Rico, we suffer the aberration of companies using pr at the end of their name due to the high uncompetitive prices of the .pr ccTLD registry. In recognition of the uniqueness of the branding opportunity that a .pr name offers a registrant, the .pr ccTLD can play a key role in establishing an identity and enhancing the position of companies, institutions and individuals from the island on a global basis. It can enhance the search for products and services from local companies that are now lost within the 40 million ,com, .net .org names etc that search engines source for key word searches. Over the past 16 years, the .pr ccTLD has been underutilized and underdeveloped when compared with other ccTLDs for the following reasons: I. Lack of a uniform registration policy that permits domain name holders to register names at the second level such as www.centennial.pr. www.bancopopular.pr thereby limiting the value to local and global registrants II. Failure to popularize and promote the .pr ccTLD as an option for the estimated 30,000 existing domain name holders who use the generic top level domain space ( .net, .com,.org etc ) III. High registration prices that make a .pr name nearly 10 times more expensive than registering in a generic top level domain such as .com, .net .org etc IV. Lack of a Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy to safeguard and protect Puerto Rican and global trademark holders resulting in rampant cybersquatting of the names of Puerto Rican celebrities, company brands and places including Puerto Rico itself (Virtual Countries Inc. ownership over www.puertorico .com) at the gTLD level. V. Lack of an automated shared registration system to allow registrars and designated entities such as Internet Service Providers to register .pr names to facilitate local and global distribution of registrations and increase revenues to the registry. VI. Lack of compliance with ICANN, IETF and IANA policies and regulations regarding domain name management and the secure operations of a registry. VII. Frequent outages and downtime due to lack of redundant operations and a poor underdeveloped infrastructure. VIII. Failure to represent and participate in the global and regional bodies established to set policy and regulate the technical standards such as ICANN, LACNIC, WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization), IANA etc IX. Lack of accountability to the local Internet Community and to the people of Puerto Rico with respect to the number of domain name registrations, staffing, budget, business and sales goals etc In summary, we need to establish sound business practices to ensure professional management of our registry. Instead, .pr ccTLD is managed as an extension of the Gauss Laboratories in its academic pursuits and scientific research not as a public infrastructure entity responsible to Puerto Rico and its domain name registrants. It is for these reasons that the Internet Society of Puerto Rico recommends that the Commonwealth Government of Puerto Rico establish the full redelegation of the management of the .pr ccTLD and conduct a modernization plan whose goal will be to place Puerto Rico among the top fifty most registered domains on the Internet over the next four years. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Bret: Well, maybe we need to define what a re-delegation is. This is the history as far as we know it. The Puerto Rico ccTLD was originally delegated to the University of Puerto Rico via its Gauss Research Laboratory unit under Dr. Oscar Morenos tutelage in 1989. It has been like this until December 21, 2006. The ccNSO Application for .pr, which you can find at: http://ccnso.icann.org/applications/archive/msg00062.html, shows the University of Puerto Rico/Gauss Laboratory as its manager. It is interesting to see that there were two previous application to the ccNSO showing different managers (see http://ccnso.icann.org/applications/archive/msg00044.html , http://ccnso.icann.org/applications/archive/msg00052.html). In our opinion the move happened because last year the Government of Puerto Rico investigated (ISOC-PR started the process) the whereabouts of the administration of the .pr ccTLD. In its final report, one of the recommendations was to re-delegate the administration of the .pr to a non-for profit organization by using the IANA established procedures and to create a multi-disciplinary board of directors to manage it. The final report was accepted by the Puerto Rico Senate in November 7, 2006. Apparently, Dr. Moreno read the report, created the non-for-profit corporation and then moved the administration of the .pr to the new corporation. The board of directors for this new corporation is just Dr. Moreno. The committees that are mentioned in its web site are just that, committees. Final decisions on .pr are set by one person only. Did you all know that a second level .pr domain cost $1,000/year? We heard about the move because some people at the University of Puerto Rico were (and are) very upset about it. My understanding is that by moving the administration of the .pr to the new organization the University was left out cold. To me this was a re-delegation without due diligence. Is this defined as a re-delegation or not? Eduardo Díaz President ISOC-PR _____ From: Bret Fausett [mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:16 PM To: ediaz@prtc.net Cc: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Re-delegation of the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr I can't find anything either. Typically, the IANA is supposed to post reports on redelegations on this page of the IANA site: http://www.iana.org/reports/cctld-reports.htm I don't see anything for Puerto Rico. Also, the ICANN Board typically reviews and approves redelegations, and again, I cannot find any discussions of .PR in the last three years: http://icann.org/minutes/index.html How do you know this is a redelegation? I'm very curious about this. Please update us when you have more thoughts on what has happened. Bret On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote: All: I am looking for some advise/direction. We (the Internet Society of Puerto Rico) recently found out that the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr was re-delegated to a new non-for-profit organization on 21 December, 2006. I looked all over the IANA web site for any public documents regarding this re-delegation and could not found anything except the info in the Who Is database. I wrote an email to Mr. David Conrad and ccNSO secretariat but did not receive any feedback regarding this issue. Can anyone in the NARALO help us in directing us to the right information source? We are very eager to understand how this happened without going through the due diligence that characterized these re-delegations. Eduardo Díaz President ISOC-PR _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica nn.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct
Thanks, Eduardo. It sounds to me as though there has not been an official redelegation by the IANA but merely a name change in the whois by the current delegated manager. If the government and ISOC-PR press IANA and ICANN for an official redelegation, I think you'll get it. With both the support of the government and the support of the relevant Internet community, Dr. Moreno is unlikely to retain his stranglehold on the ccTLD. If you form the non-profit and then write to ICANN (Cerf and Twomey) and the IANA (Conrad) asking for the redelegation, I think you'll see some forward progress. Bret
I think that there was more than a name change. It was a change of the administration to a different entity from one that was represented by the University of Puerto Rico (educational) to a new one represented by a non-profit corporation (commercial). We have been working with this issue since 2002. In 2005 ISOC-PR board of directors approved a position paper (which David Younger just sent to the list) and has been working with the Government of Puerto Rico since. I just realized that we got the statement last year when the Senate approved the recommendations that came out of the investigation. Thanks. Eduardo Díaz President ISOC-PR -----Original Message----- From: Bret Fausett [mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:20 PM To: ediaz@prtc.net Cc: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Re-delegation of the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr Thanks, Eduardo. It sounds to me as though there has not been an official redelegation by the IANA but merely a name change in the whois by the current delegated manager. If the government and ISOC-PR press IANA and ICANN for an official redelegation, I think you'll get it. With both the support of the government and the support of the relevant Internet community, Dr. Moreno is unlikely to retain his stranglehold on the ccTLD. If you form the non-profit and then write to ICANN (Cerf and Twomey) and the IANA (Conrad) asking for the redelegation, I think you'll see some forward progress. Bret
Eduardo, Re: administrative changes "IANA will check if a change request to a supporting organization reflects a change of administrative responsibility to a new organization that is essentially the same as the previous organization. Situations like this, called an administrative redelegation, include where ccTLD management has shifted as the result of an internal restructure, internal governmental restructure, or the entity is renamed or wholly acquired by another entity. In such cases, to be considered an administrative redelegation, day-to-day operations would need to remain substantially unaltered. For example, there would normally need to be continuity of staff, policy, policy setting structure, levels of service and so on. When a request is determined to be an administrative redelegation, IANA will allow the applicant to bypass some of the elements of a regular redelegation, such as demonstrating local Internet community support and operational competencies. IANA will also implement the change without the requirement for the ICANN Board to decide the matter. If IANA considers an application to be eligible for this expedited treatment, it will advise the applicant." --- Eduardo Diaz <ediaz@prtc.net> wrote:
I think that there was more than a name change. It was a change of the administration to a different entity from one that was represented by the University of Puerto Rico (educational) to a new one represented by a non-profit corporation (commercial).
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Now I can see why nobody knew that it got changed. Thanks for the information. -ed -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:52 PM To: ediaz@prtc.net; 'Bret Fausett' Cc: 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Re-delegation of the Puerto Rico ccTLD - .pr Eduardo, Re: administrative changes "IANA will check if a change request to a supporting organization reflects a change of administrative responsibility to a new organization that is essentially the same as the previous organization. Situations like this, called an "administrative redelegation", include where ccTLD management has shifted as the result of an internal restructure, internal governmental restructure, or the entity is renamed or wholly acquired by another entity. In such cases, to be considered an administrative redelegation, day-to-day operations would need to remain substantially unaltered. For example, there would normally need to be continuity of staff, policy, policy setting structure, levels of service and so on. When a request is determined to be an administrative redelegation, IANA will allow the applicant to bypass some of the elements of a regular redelegation, such as demonstrating local Internet community support and operational competencies. IANA will also implement the change without the requirement for the ICANN Board to decide the matter. If IANA considers an application to be eligible for this expedited treatment, it will advise the applicant." --- Eduardo Diaz <ediaz@prtc.net> wrote:
I think that there was more than a name change. It was a change of the administration to a different entity from one that was represented by the University of Puerto Rico (educational) to a new one represented by a non-profit corporation (commercial).
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