Thank you SO much for this "dotless domains for dummies" explanations! Thank you all for your postings as this helps all of us that aren't up on this topic. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: John R. Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:50 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
To try to understand this issue: why were dotless domains ruled out of the new gTLD expansion? What is the problem with them?
The SSAC 053 report describes the issues pretty well. The short explanation is that for the past zillion years (in Internet time) the only use of dotless names has been private use on internal networks, and there's a lot of software that assumes that's what they are. Adding global dotless domains would be really flaky. Typical example: http://blah/ means a local host called blah, not the .blah domain. The GAC objected to Google's having .search as a private domain, so Google concocted a dotless hack and sent it to ICANN, who are currently scratching their heads. There are several other applicants for .search so even if ICANN were to decide Google's application was OK, they'd still have to slug it out with the other applicants. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Will add to call agenda -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'John R. Levine'; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains Thank you SO much for this "dotless domains for dummies" explanations! Thank you all for your postings as this helps all of us that aren't up on this topic. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: John R. Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:50 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
To try to understand this issue: why were dotless domains ruled out of the new gTLD expansion? What is the problem with them?
The SSAC 053 report describes the issues pretty well. The short explanation is that for the past zillion years (in Internet time) the only use of dotless names has been private use on internal networks, and there's a lot of software that assumes that's what they are. Adding global dotless domains would be really flaky. Typical example: http://blah/ means a local host called blah, not the .blah domain. The GAC objected to Google's having .search as a private domain, so Google concocted a dotless hack and sent it to ICANN, who are currently scratching their heads. There are several other applicants for .search so even if ICANN were to decide Google's application was OK, they'd still have to slug it out with the other applicants. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Given that the subject was only first raised yesterday, I would suggest having this, at best, as "if time allows" at the end of today's agenda -- and even then just as an introduction. It looks like there's already a full plate and this one may need more discussion. I'm happy to collaborate with others -- Robert and Eric especially -- on crafting a concise statement that reflects NARALO's concerns, to be endorsed by the region. I would be happy to submit such a statement to the ALAC for consideration as globally-approved advice to the Board. If that is considered of value I would ask Staff ASAP to create an appropriate wiki page for its development. We could also request an informational webinar for global At-Large that could offer the PoVs expressed above, perhaps as well as those (if we can find them) who support dotless domains as an innovation in the public interest that addresses the SSAC053 concerns. But that wouldn't be ready today. ;-) On 10 June 2013 09:52, Garth Bruen <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
Will add to call agenda
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'John R. Levine'; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
Thank you SO much for this "dotless domains for dummies" explanations! Thank you all for your postings as this helps all of us that aren't up on this topic.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: John R. Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:50 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
To try to understand this issue: why were dotless domains ruled out of the new gTLD expansion? What is the problem with them?
The SSAC 053 report describes the issues pretty well. The short explanation is that for the past zillion years (in Internet time) the only use of dotless names has been private use on internal networks, and there's a lot of software that assumes that's what they are. Adding global dotless domains would be really flaky.
Typical example:
means a local host called blah, not the .blah domain.
The GAC objected to Google's having .search as a private domain, so Google concocted a dotless hack and sent it to ICANN, who are currently scratching their heads. There are several other applicants for .search so even if ICANN were to decide Google's application was OK, they'd still have to slug it out with the other applicants.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
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If we want to be effective on this issue, would draft a document - but wait until the ICANN report comes out just before the Durban meeting. The technical testing results will hopefully provide far better details on how such a policy could impact the resiliency, security and stability of the DNS. Robert -- R. Guerra Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081 Twitter: twitter.com/netfreedom Email: rguerra@privaterra.org On 2013-06-10, at 11:05 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Given that the subject was only first raised yesterday, I would suggest having this, at best, as "if time allows" at the end of today's agenda -- and even then just as an introduction. It looks like there's already a full plate and this one may need more discussion.
I'm happy to collaborate with others -- Robert and Eric especially -- on crafting a concise statement that reflects NARALO's concerns, to be endorsed by the region. I would be happy to submit such a statement to the ALAC for consideration as globally-approved advice to the Board. If that is considered of value I would ask Staff ASAP to create an appropriate wiki page for its development.
We could also request an informational webinar for global At-Large that could offer the PoVs expressed above, perhaps as well as those (if we can find them) who support dotless domains as an innovation in the public interest that addresses the SSAC053 concerns.
But that wouldn't be ready today. ;-)
On 10 June 2013 09:52, Garth Bruen <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
Will add to call agenda
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'John R. Levine'; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
Thank you SO much for this "dotless domains for dummies" explanations! Thank you all for your postings as this helps all of us that aren't up on this topic.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: John R. Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:50 AM To: Thompson, Darlene; Evan Leibovitch Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] Dotless domains
To try to understand this issue: why were dotless domains ruled out of the new gTLD expansion? What is the problem with them?
The SSAC 053 report describes the issues pretty well. The short explanation is that for the past zillion years (in Internet time) the only use of dotless names has been private use on internal networks, and there's a lot of software that assumes that's what they are. Adding global dotless domains would be really flaky.
Typical example:
means a local host called blah, not the .blah domain.
The GAC objected to Google's having .search as a private domain, so Google concocted a dotless hack and sent it to ICANN, who are currently scratching their heads. There are several other applicants for .search so even if ICANN were to decide Google's application was OK, they'd still have to slug it out with the other applicants.
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
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Thompson, Darlene