Fwd: Due process for takedowns? Shut your mouth!
(via NNsquad) http://j.mp/xitKs5 (ars technica) Tank, desperate to find out what had happened, called her. "The agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week," he wrote in an explanation post on Hacker News. "I told them we are a Web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me." -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
http://securityskeptic.typepad.com/the-security-skeptic/2012/02/is-jotform-a... On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:13, Joly MacFie wrote:
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http://j.mp/xitKs5 (ars technica)
Tank, desperate to find out what had happened, called her. "The agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week," he wrote in an explanation post on Hacker News. "I told them we are a Web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me."
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There should always be due process no matter how heinous the crime -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:19 AM To: <joly@punkcast.com> Cc: "NA Discuss" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Due process for takedowns? Shut your mouth!
http://securityskeptic.typepad.com/the-security-skeptic/2012/02/is-jotform-a... On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:13, Joly MacFie wrote:
(via NNsquad)
http://j.mp/xitKs5 (ars technica)
Tank, desperate to find out what had happened, called her. "The agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week," he wrote in an explanation post on Hacker News. "I told them we are a Web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me."
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On 20 Feb 2012, at 13:59, Garth Bruen at Knujon.com wrote:
There should always be due process no matter how heinous the crime
Garth - something we can agree on :) As a hosting provider and registrar takedowns worry me a LOT. Of course I'd be the first to admit that part of the issue lies with the internet industry as a whole. (Something I tried to write about coherently here: http://blog.blacknight.com/calm-reasoned-dialogue-helps.html ) Regards Michele Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.biz http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 20 Feb 2012, at 09:08, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
There should always be due process no matter how heinous the crime
Garth - something we can agree on :)
And a great starting place for all such discussions. avri
To quote a delegate of the US Federal Trade Commission during a recent event when discussing data protection rights of customers: "We are talking about criminals here, they do not have the same rights." Volker
There should always be due process no matter how heinous the crime
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight"<michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:19 AM To:<joly@punkcast.com> Cc: "NA Discuss"<na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Due process for takedowns? Shut your mouth!
http://securityskeptic.typepad.com/the-security-skeptic/2012/02/is-jotform-a... On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:13, Joly MacFie wrote:
(via NNsquad)
http://j.mp/xitKs5 (ars technica)
Tank, desperate to find out what had happened, called her. "The agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week," he wrote in an explanation post on Hacker News. "I told them we are a Web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me."
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Issue #1: It's yet another example of FTC making their own rules without regard for the law. Calling someone a 'criminal' without a conviction is slanderous. Issue #2: Apparently, GoDaddy took the domain offline without a court order, merely a request. Are they looking out for the good of their customer? Issue #3: Whatever the disguise, the authoritarian regime needs to be reeled in or they will keep going and going. RJ A@L ________________________________ From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Due process for takedowns? Shut your mouth! To quote a delegate of the US Federal Trade Commission during a recent event when discussing data protection rights of customers: "We are talking about criminals here, they do not have the same rights." Volker
There should always be due process no matter how heinous the crime
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight"<michele@blacknight.ie> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 8:19 AM To:<joly@punkcast.com> Cc: "NA Discuss"<na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Due process for takedowns? Shut your mouth!
http://securityskeptic.typepad.com/the-security-skeptic/2012/02/is-jotform-a... On 17 Feb 2012, at 04:13, Joly MacFie wrote:
(via NNsquad)
http://j.mp/xitKs5 (ars technica)
Tank, desperate to find out what had happened, called her. "The agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week," he wrote in an explanation post on Hacker News. "I told them we are a Web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me."
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Avri Doria -
Garth Bruen at Knujon.com -
Joly MacFie -
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight -
RJ Glass -
Volker Greimann